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explode the bazaar or e-ticket ride is

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the world of the paranormal

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strap yourself Ian as we traverse the

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universe exploring the unexplained UFO

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ghost lost world

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cryptozoology as well as other

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dimensions it's time to take back the

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night after night now your electrifying

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hosts of exploring bizarre Timothy

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sounds like a loud discussion there King

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well I take your we are back on

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exploring the bazaar but can Beckley

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either other areas have your mic to show

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nothing it's just awestruck time I was

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holding my breath ik I can't believe the

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sight of that gigantic craft in the sky

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coming in over over the mountains it's

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tremendous and all those people were

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where we're standing there and watching

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it and it was unbelievable I know this

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is going to cause a sensation this is

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going to be known as the Phoenix lights

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I think I I mean what a string of craft

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and these Hatter's from somewhere else I

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think in fact tonight we're going to

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maybe find out where they come from

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because tonight I have we have on one of

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my favorite all-time UFO people Jim

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Della Toso from Phoenix who actually

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analyzed the Phoenix lights videos as

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well as some other well he's a top

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analysis as far as UFO photos and films

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go in that Tim why don't you tell us a

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little bit about the a Jim there you

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have is uh bio and all in front of ya

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what of course well you know Jim is one

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of the best known figures in UFO and

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exotic science research for over oh my

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gosh it's been more than 30 years I take

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he's been recognized as one of the

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leading analysis of UFO pictures and

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videos he's tested over 2000 photographs

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and 400 video cases and he's appeared on

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over 100 TV broadcast including

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sightings one of my past favorite shows

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he's been on the Discovery Channel

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a-any disney MTV CNN our show UFO

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Hunters which I know that you've been on

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before Tim and the yeah and the BBC so I

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think probably the first time that

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I ever ran across Jim's work is like you

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said when he was talking about his

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analysis on the famous or infamous

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possibly Phoenix likes so ladies and

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gentlemen I am proud to introduce to you

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tonight mr. Jim delito so Jim thanks for

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being with us tonight I think well you

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know Jim and I have not spoken in a

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while you know we have been known over

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the years to hang out a admit we're both

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into the the music scene in fact uh

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Jim's background is an entertainment and

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music in fact in my book here Shirley

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MacLaine meets the Pelagians there's a

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photo of Jim and Shirley MacLaine and

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another picture of him holding the gold

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record that he received for his work on

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the Moody Blues long-distance Voyager

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album and yeah one of my favorites

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what would you know Jim I I think for

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the benefit of our listeners who may not

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be so much you know may not know that

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much about you I know I know they see

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you on TV they're sitting in front of

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the computers and that analyzing the

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billy meier photos and the the Phoenix

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lights but how did you get into all of

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this well at a very young age I started

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renting out equipment to people that was

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what I was about 20 I had been playing

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sometimes we sometimes we even got paid

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but I made a business out of renting out

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equipment oscilloscopes as the years

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went on speaker cabinets lights

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measurement equipment big sound systems

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video projectors and so had a lot of

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equipment around because we owned it and

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rented it out but not in the winter it's

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not good to drive truck loads of

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equipment city to city in the winter

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lots of other stuff can happen so we

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would go be snowbirds and by 79 we were

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doing that in Fein

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you know we're working illusion you're

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not originally from Phoenix no I grew up

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back east my teenage and college years

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in Connecticut in New York well and when

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I was very young in Virginia my mom and

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pop taught in Shenandoah Valley in

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Staunton Virginia at the Virginia School

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for the Deaf and the blind pop was the

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coach mom taught dance and music I had

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to do both I liked it but later on when

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my dad died my mom remarried we moved to

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Connecticut so that's where it all was

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happening for me

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and I got there I played in some

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bubblegum bands you know it had some

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hits and but I wasn't the main that

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wasn't my main occupation staying out of

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the draft was the main occupation

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staying in college and it's it's upside

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and necessities I mean I renting out

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equipment in the winter we look for

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other things to do keep my crew together

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keep my trucks and buses which we did

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that all through the 70s I started in

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the early seventies and had a couple

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nightclubs in the mid 70s big nightclubs

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bowling alley size so we didn't we

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didn't or pointed Astoria's I make a

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long story interesting we got hired by

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people in the film business regularly to

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rent our lights and generators and this

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guy John Stefanelli hired us to work on

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the Shroud of Turin movie narrated by

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Richard Burton and that we would work in

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transferring the scientific images over

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to film did that did that couple months

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following here John would ask us if we

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could analyze pictures and I said no

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didn't know how uh and the soon after

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that he wanted to see me I think he

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wanted to see our tour bus or whatever

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the reason he came over and

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showed me these pictures that he wanted

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to have tested and they were all from a

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pro in Tucson and it introduced me to

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Jim and coral Lorenzo and took me down

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in Tucson that Wendell Stephen said they

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had a whole bunch of pictures that they

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wanted to expose to a real laboratory

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analysis and I had made a hobby job

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hobby business

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out of going to trade shows and doing

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those stories writing reviews on

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equipment that of course we were always

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hunting for equipment that we could rent

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out so I got involved in the shroud to

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rid project following year in a low

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level just a grunt level transferring

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images and the following year setting up

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different experts from the industry to

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analyze pictures from the a pro

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collection that's how I first got

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involved and met those people and spent

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a few years acquiring equipment and

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doing it and getting pretty good at it

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had you had it interested all in UFOs or

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had a sighting or anything no I was more

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interested in orange sunshine and has a

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volume and clarity of the sound on the

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stage Hadley I remember there in

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sunshine so yeah I was a very bright one

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there's were nice organic morning's you

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know that really I do say in nature it's

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very good so what what did when you

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first were given this batch of UFO

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pitchers by a pro I mean did you scratch

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your head and say are these people you

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know a little bit odd or strange or well

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doing it for money I've never ever

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tested UFO pictures for money or other

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esoteric things well because it can be

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said that you skew your opinion towards

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the people that are paying

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yeah took that I took it seriously

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because uh Jim and Korolev Lorenzen were

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professionals in the Astronomy field

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they were the first people to tell me

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about you and coral did possess going

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back to Connecticut as you said oh you

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know Tim Beckley of course I didn't know

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anybody then an ion 770's

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in this field but we approached it a

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couple my engineers approached it that

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we go to the big trade shows we find out

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who the top people are writing

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scientific work papers who are the big

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users who are the big manufacturers and

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we go to those people and see if we can

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enlist them and when you got someone

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from the Beach Boys or Moody Blues or

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Ellis Cooper with you because they liked

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the topic too I like to go to this rate

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those hey you want to go to a trade show

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see if we can get people to test UFO

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pictures are you kidding that's it

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that's easy to fill the little fleet to

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go to we do that and got number of

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people many people who would do their

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like like testing blood or testing skin

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samples you know you're not the whole

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you're not analyzing the whole health or

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the whole situation you're doing your

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little part so that's what well how

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exactly do you test a a UFO photo to

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determine whether it is authentic or not

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because in a lot of cases these are

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light lights in the sky have absolutely

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no background reference whatsoever right

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well yeah and especially then I mean you

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don't have the only expensive you know

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computers and everything that you have

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now yeah that's right and computers were

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emerging though and we did have access

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to a number of the main companies uh but

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the the whole science of photogrammetric

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s-- analyzing film shot from high

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altitude airplanes and medical imagery

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is a strong foundation for what our

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mistakes and what are the optical issues

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in large and small objects and that's

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really what it is it's a large object a

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small object The Closer far to the

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camera or is it something else is it

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airplane like does it reflections in a

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window and it took a few years to really

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get a database where we had a way within

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a lot of experts feeding into what we're

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doing to have a way like fingerprints

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the best of the way I can compare it the

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way that the process inevitably landed

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was a way of analyzing every picture

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like every fingerprint is analyzed using

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the same metrics the same meters numbers

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to give it a signature oh yeah it has an

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arch it has a loop oh it does a 17 - b9

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s 11 23 there's sections there's indexes

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there's ways of categorizing what is in

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every image and then you can search

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through all the millions literally

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millions of known objects and get a

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match because you have a way of filing

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all of the attributes of an unknown

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picture the lights the edges the many

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conditions that we now view as normal

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it's all normal you know you get in your

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cell phone and you know you can hold up

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hold the camera up show a picture you

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know where is this where in the world

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what is this or even a song you know

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what song is this can be identified this

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is the same thing we have we built a

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very large database of known objects of

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special effects and edges and flares and

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stars and car lights and what is it that

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makes this look like the moon big object

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far away hold your hand up that's two

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inches tall we arm out fingers measure

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two inches oh here's a basketball coming

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inches well there they are they're both

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two inches tall one's a giant thing long

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distance away the other one's a

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basketball not quite as far away how

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does our mind side in our brain know

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that and know it every time

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what is it really looking at studying

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and it's the edges and it's the contour

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it's the focus and it's things that can

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be turned into numbers and then compare

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then basically it works every time once

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you get it it works every time so we

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approached it scientifically we

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approached it seriously like it may not

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seem like it but a loud loud rock and

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roll band in a stadium playing loud

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having fun big audience is a serious

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thing of exactly how do you do the

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engineering and how do you make that

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happen

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we took the science of UFO pictures the

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same way and within 80% 90% degree of

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accuracy we can tell the series of 14

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passes passes a scan looking for

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something different every time if it's a

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large object a small object as a close

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as it far is it a match in the database

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and if we get a match we know what it is

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if we don't get a match it's an unknown

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so were you were you impressed I mean

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were there objects there from that group

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of pictures from a pro yeah you said to

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yourself well these are not anything

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that we have categorized well well APRA

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we didn't have anything categorized when

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we started with Apple it took a few

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years and me meeting a lot of people I

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mean we had to go out and meet everybody

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that was going UFO picture analysis that

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was doing NASA that was doing airplanes

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that was doing medical and build our own

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pathway our own

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ability to have those people deal with

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us meanwhile meanwhile you got

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mean-spirited people with no code of

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ethics

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yes back inside of the UFO community who

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you think you're doing this for a

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unified front and it's not a unified

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front it's every group it's every set of

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initials for themselves that the more

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precise we would do something the more

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attacks there would be on it

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we weren't tried to be cosmic messengers

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we were doing what we had been asked to

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do but then other people would ask us to

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do it and we would give it our best and

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we was half a dozen of us inside of a

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company as my crew would always say now

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Jim merely owns the company you want

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anything done he comes to us and that

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was true I mean I wasn't an engineer of

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all things and everything I merely owned

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the company and had to do the sales and

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management of the tours and get all the

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equipment and do all the engineering and

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handle all that stuff while I had

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experts inside the company who were

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running the tours and engineering the

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equipment and then we got into renting

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video equipment and video projectors and

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image processing equipment then there

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was a lot going on than supercomputer

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village labs you know we were running a

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twenty million dollar supercomputer for

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rent and somebody had good stuff got

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used to test and analyze but we didn't

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have good collaborators or good

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receptors in the UFO field had we had a

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handful that I think had the same spirit

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that we did for you for example I mean

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it was it wasn't it was serious but it

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wasn't glum it was if extraterrestrials

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come here I think they wants to be happy

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spirits come here come to life

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to death intertwined intergalactic place

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hopping blah blah blah it's a giant said

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a new rules of physics and emotions and

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spirit that's not a glum thing to get

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out there and figure it out absolutely

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you're absolutely 100% correct so now of

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course you have been associated with the

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very controversial billy meier of photos

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when they first presented to you by

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wendell stevens uh I wouldn't say

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Wendell Stevens I would say Lee elders

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although it was all the same group but

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the first but you know was an

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investigation group and Wendell was the

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field investigator and the guy getting

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the the evidence the material Lee was

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the person who handled the timetable the

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signing of the evidence samples in and

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out the collection of the reports and

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understanding how we were doing it and

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why and what that was that was Lee and I

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had a lot of dealings with closely and

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Britt and Wendling you know a large

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amount but at first it was Lee and then

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it became Wendell well and you know

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after the fact you know you really got a

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lot of flack from people who just

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absolutely refused to believe you know

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the results that you know that you got

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from those would agree well okay here's

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the thing you're saying the results that

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I got mmm the results the first two

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years of results were me taking the

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photograph to over 50 Wow

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fifty other people in the back the

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invest of the investigation report not

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the contact from Pleiades photo book but

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the to investigation journals were a day

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by day day by day six

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years of logs of testing and all the

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places that we went and took it

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including Michael Malin who worked on

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the noted Mars project he was very much

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a collaborator in the late 70s on

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analyzing the photographs and found no

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evidence of a hoax Wow

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and so I didn't start doing testing on

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my own until years later right I mean I

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was learning from experts that we're

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going and gathering information from and

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inevitably I acquired a few a few

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$50,000 computers to rent out to people

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by the hour by the day which was a low

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price by the way compared to the cost of

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a lot of our sound equipment which was

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hundreds of thousands and up but still

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we had it and we rented it we did we did

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it but I never found any reason to

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believe that this one-armed guy even 10

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people could make this image and get it

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on film film until we got 35 film that

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it was anything other than a large

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object hmm and it wasn't 25 foot object

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that's what it was no doubt about it all

419
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right well we have to go to on the

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bottom of the hour break Tim so when we

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come back Tim Beck Leigh and myself we

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will continue our conversation with mr.

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Jim Jericho so on exploring the bizarre

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now back to exploring the bazaar with

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two of the most electrifying researchers

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in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy

427
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Rebecca Lee panting Swartz I have to

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warn people all right about jumping in

429
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the chat room because it's a very loose

430
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very very low ceiling in this and it

431
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didn't careful if you're going to

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comfort yeah to be a chat room by a

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rocky bottom and you know so okay so Jim

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what we left off talking about the billy

435
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meier and you know I I have to admit I

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am NOT a big fan of billy meier now you

437
00:24:10,100 --> 00:24:08,010
could say that some of the photographs

438
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are real but we know that some two are

439
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also mounted on top of the wedding cake

440
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photos for yeah

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00:24:18,710 --> 00:24:16,710
they're dirty yeah well I've seen the

442
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photographs of them from the car showing

443
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underneath I mean I'm not like you know

444
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somebody tried to hide the fact even but

445
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what I do is like analyzing blood I

446
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analyze the evidence that given to me I

447
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don't analyze or talk about or pass

448
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judgment on a whole bunch of other stuff

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so I'm not really a supporter of or an

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antagonist of the Meyer case I am the

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messenger of the six photographs that I

452
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analyzed okay so you analyze six

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photographs correct and then there were

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another 25 or so that we had analyzed by

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others we would give different

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photographs to different people to

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analyze never had anyone say this is a

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model this has been superimposed I never

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never had anyone except in the the group

460
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of people that are known to be naysayers

461
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such as MUFON and Cal Korff and people

462
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that make careers out of naysaying of

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things but you know there are very

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exacting ways to know whether something

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is large or small

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focus field indexing and by contouring

467
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of an object you can tell the same way

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that the cruise missile dose as it's

469
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flying you know okay that's a tennis

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ball coming at us

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move over that's the moon way over there

472
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keep flying so the optics for knowing

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large and small dimensions is well

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entrenched in image processing actually

475
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we never said anything but it was really

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kind of a joke to us what a lot of UFO

477
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investigators would come back with as

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what they say was UFO picture testing it

479
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was it's it's really sad

480
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there there's really no scientific

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principles that guide UFO investigations

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or code of ethics of how people behave

483
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that every Shore every scientific

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organization engineering botanical

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agriculture stainless steel

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manufacturers and steel beam walkers

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have code of ethics of how people behave

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even the Boy Scouts have a code of

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conduct and code of ethics UFO

490
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investigations have none a group of

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people that tried to create that with

492
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the the original UFO Congress that kind

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00:27:15,380 --> 00:27:13,440
of got away from them as the event

494
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became you know it's two three

495
00:27:23,780 --> 00:27:18,420
generations later it's become you know

496
00:27:26,810 --> 00:27:23,790
just another ticket sales event

497
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there's no collaboration amongst any of

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the speakers I can't think of any time

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in any going back in the UFO Congress I

500
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was in the first couple of years when

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00:27:37,970 --> 00:27:36,510
all of the investigators or the

502
00:27:40,970 --> 00:27:37,980
speaker's got together and had a

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roundtable on what are the real cases

504
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what's going on what resources are

505
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needed in the olden days a lot of that

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happen

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that like some of the early events that

508
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you put on yes indeed but I went to

509
00:28:05,050 --> 00:28:00,760
absolutely your events would have panels

510
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where the panel people were advocated to

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get together first for a while and work

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it out instead of shooting from the hip

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up on the stage but that doesn't happen

514
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anymore I don't see any collaboration

515
00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:19,850
amongst investigators it's every man for

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himself I like you so I believe your

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00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:25,670
case I don't like him so I don't believe

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in case and and so okay well outside of

519
00:28:36,610 --> 00:28:33,800
billy meier would you say that the the

520
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phoenix of lights was probably received

521
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the most well even more attention

522
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certainly than the the meyer case yeah

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it still does even to this very day

524
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yes it's a few other cases and I worked

525
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on got a lot of attention the Tim

526
00:29:00,430 --> 00:28:56,240
Edwards case up in Colorado a year

527
00:29:01,930 --> 00:29:00,440
before the Phoenix lights came he came

528
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to one of our conferences that was of

529
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yellow that had the like cigar shaped

530
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object of above his horizon

531
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yes well there were two there were two

532
00:29:13,930 --> 00:29:11,570
people if I remember correctly that had

533
00:29:17,590 --> 00:29:13,940
very very similar videos or films that

534
00:29:21,820 --> 00:29:17,600
they had taken yeah during that one a

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00:29:27,790 --> 00:29:21,830
day in Colorado but an interesting thing

536
00:29:31,660 --> 00:29:27,800
and studying trends of looking at the

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00:29:39,010 --> 00:29:31,670
photo data done by national UFO

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00:29:41,050 --> 00:29:39,020
Reporting Center and Peter up up there

539
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:41,060
that runs that and some of the other

540
00:29:46,330 --> 00:29:44,090
people have published dates and trends

541
00:29:50,410 --> 00:29:46,340
and shapes etc if you look at all those

542
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:50,420
there's interesting set of coincidences

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00:29:58,060 --> 00:29:53,450
have happened of seeing a big cigar

544
00:30:01,330 --> 00:29:58,070
shape ship and then within the year

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00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:01,340
seeing in the same area

546
00:30:08,490 --> 00:30:05,210
in collections of orbs and then within a

547
00:30:14,790 --> 00:30:08,500
year after that seeing flying formation

548
00:30:20,790 --> 00:30:14,800
V formation of orbs so it's cigar orbs

549
00:30:29,380 --> 00:30:25,300
1952 we see it in Belgium we see it in

550
00:30:35,790 --> 00:30:29,390
Russia we see it in Brazil cigar shape

551
00:30:39,430 --> 00:30:35,800
ship orbs a triangle of orbs all within

552
00:30:44,830 --> 00:30:39,440
you know five six hundred days same

553
00:30:46,630 --> 00:30:44,840
pattern is it a pattern hmm the thing

554
00:30:48,700 --> 00:30:46,640
for me when I see some of these

555
00:30:51,970 --> 00:30:48,710
photographs of you know basically what

556
00:30:53,620 --> 00:30:51,980
you know seems to be triangle shapes but

557
00:30:55,570 --> 00:30:53,630
you know but they're just they're just

558
00:30:58,150 --> 00:30:55,580
lights it's hard to discern whether or

559
00:30:59,710 --> 00:30:58,160
not there's actually a solid body behind

560
00:31:03,220 --> 00:30:59,720
you a light or it's just a lights

561
00:31:07,570 --> 00:31:03,230
themselves right and that's a really

562
00:31:09,910 --> 00:31:07,580
important thing is the formation of the

563
00:31:12,910 --> 00:31:09,920
orbs is there a structure between it

564
00:31:15,820 --> 00:31:12,920
even if it's just a microwave or a

565
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:15,830
magnetic field structure that's

566
00:31:26,020 --> 00:31:20,530
generated by the orbs or is it a solid

567
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:26,030
mass that has lights on it and the study

568
00:31:34,410 --> 00:31:30,170
of these flying machines has come down

569
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:34,420
to that it's not do they come here it's

570
00:31:39,190 --> 00:31:37,130
well what are they doing when they come

571
00:31:42,370 --> 00:31:39,200
here and why are they coming here what's

572
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:42,380
the science behind what they're doing

573
00:31:47,590 --> 00:31:45,770
and that they're hiding there's I don't

574
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:47,600
think there's a government cover-up at

575
00:31:55,690 --> 00:31:50,890
all I think there's an extraterrestrial

576
00:31:59,260 --> 00:31:55,700
cover-up all right so it's agent Lee

577
00:32:01,150 --> 00:31:59,270
well justice if they extraterrestrials

578
00:32:04,290 --> 00:32:01,160
come here didn't want there to be a

579
00:32:09,100 --> 00:32:04,300
cover-up there wouldn't be one right

580
00:32:12,100 --> 00:32:09,110
manga that we could do everything known

581
00:32:14,850 --> 00:32:12,110
to man to do full disclosure on the

582
00:32:18,870 --> 00:32:14,860
White House lawn and Moscow we're

583
00:32:22,140 --> 00:32:18,880
worldwide you and simultaneously the ETS

584
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:22,150
are still going to be a no-show mmm yeah

585
00:32:27,500 --> 00:32:24,210
they promise they're going to show up

586
00:32:31,110 --> 00:32:27,510
you know it is certain time and place

587
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:31,120
they don't show and they're very

588
00:32:36,830 --> 00:32:33,610
sometimes it can be very deceptive I

589
00:32:40,410 --> 00:32:36,840
mean yeah you know they they give you a

590
00:32:42,570 --> 00:32:40,420
try to hook you in I mean it's not it's

591
00:32:44,370 --> 00:32:42,580
very bizarre in the sense is if they

592
00:32:46,710 --> 00:32:44,380
wanted to cover up themselves entirely

593
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:46,720
well they wouldn't produce the Phoenix

594
00:32:53,340 --> 00:32:50,290
lights and fly over a city with a

595
00:32:57,060 --> 00:32:53,350
million population and hover over the

596
00:32:58,650 --> 00:32:57,070
you know the the the highway

597
00:33:01,140 --> 00:32:58,660
now do you unless they were a

598
00:33:03,330 --> 00:33:01,150
distraction you know hey look look at

599
00:33:06,060 --> 00:33:03,340
these bright lights over here where they

600
00:33:07,799 --> 00:33:06,070
were new arrivals yeah it could have

601
00:33:11,430 --> 00:33:07,809
been new arrivals there are some things

602
00:33:13,590 --> 00:33:11,440
in front of a time line in front of the

603
00:33:17,159 --> 00:33:13,600
Phoenix lights that make it possible

604
00:33:20,039 --> 00:33:17,169
that we are seeing evidence of new

605
00:33:24,210 --> 00:33:20,049
arrivals beings getting here from a

606
00:33:31,250 --> 00:33:24,220
great distance away and they get got

607
00:33:34,860 --> 00:33:31,260
here and fly along a given a geophysical

608
00:33:38,430 --> 00:33:34,870
area on earth you take a cross-section

609
00:33:40,590 --> 00:33:38,440
from Sedona Arizona to Tucson take a

610
00:33:43,350 --> 00:33:40,600
cross-section go down a thousand feet

611
00:33:46,049 --> 00:33:43,360
make a cross-section of that whole area

612
00:33:48,890 --> 00:33:46,059
and look at it sideways the layers of

613
00:33:54,510 --> 00:33:48,900
materials look like a

614
00:33:58,020 --> 00:33:54,520
metal-oxide-semiconductor CMOS chip that

615
00:34:01,280 --> 00:33:58,030
from a billion miles away with that

616
00:34:06,020 --> 00:34:01,290
cross-section of earth be the same as a

617
00:34:09,510 --> 00:34:06,030
radio transducer that's a metal oxide

618
00:34:12,629 --> 00:34:09,520
semiconductor transducer the transceiver

619
00:34:14,849 --> 00:34:12,639
that is high-speed calculator and

620
00:34:16,950 --> 00:34:14,859
transmit received in one little package

621
00:34:20,460 --> 00:34:16,960
well the whole area that the Phoenix

622
00:34:25,590 --> 00:34:20,470
lights fly along is directly over top of

623
00:34:28,649 --> 00:34:25,600
that geological anomaly now what was

624
00:34:35,940 --> 00:34:28,659
before that for the three hours before

625
00:34:40,169 --> 00:34:35,950
Phoenix lights the Wasilla telescope and

626
00:34:45,950 --> 00:34:40,179
the Puerto Rico telescope as reported in

627
00:34:49,859 --> 00:34:45,960
Scientific American in August 1997

628
00:34:54,029 --> 00:34:49,869
reported that in March of 1997 there

629
00:34:57,720 --> 00:34:54,039
were unknown interesting bursts of gamma

630
00:35:01,620 --> 00:34:57,730
radiation in a great at a great distance

631
00:35:08,490 --> 00:35:01,630
away and were imaged as these globular

632
00:35:11,099 --> 00:35:08,500
gamma balls then after five incidents I

633
00:35:13,289 --> 00:35:11,109
believe it could be reread in the

634
00:35:16,620 --> 00:35:13,299
magazine there five incidents separated

635
00:35:20,370 --> 00:35:16,630
by about ten minutes apiece there was an

636
00:35:24,180 --> 00:35:20,380
hour or so down time and the imaging of

637
00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:24,190
the gamma balls appear that they are in

638
00:35:31,500 --> 00:35:27,609
our solar system well how did they get

639
00:35:35,700 --> 00:35:31,510
such a great tremendous distance in such

640
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:35,710
a short period of time although of

641
00:35:40,319 --> 00:35:37,690
course it's not real time because it was

642
00:35:47,849 --> 00:35:40,329
a billion light years away it started a

643
00:35:51,210 --> 00:35:47,859
billion years ago so we then have these

644
00:35:55,620 --> 00:35:51,220
mystery balls billion light-years away

645
00:36:00,960 --> 00:35:55,630
in the solar system now flying over an

646
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:00,970
area that if someone was going to lock

647
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:03,690
onto a great distance and then do

648
00:36:09,870 --> 00:36:07,690
interdimensional place hopping jump from

649
00:36:13,109 --> 00:36:09,880
one place to another you'd lock onto

650
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:13,119
something like that like like the

651
00:36:18,799 --> 00:36:16,930
terrain in Arizona walk on to it center

652
00:36:23,700 --> 00:36:18,809
yourself

653
00:36:25,859 --> 00:36:23,710
teve mass draw in more mass get

654
00:36:28,589 --> 00:36:25,869
stabilized where you are and then poof

655
00:36:32,059 --> 00:36:28,599
out of here out of here to somewhere

656
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:32,069
else on the planet to set up and begin

657
00:36:41,519 --> 00:36:37,210
flying using the rules of like airplane

658
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:41,529
wings that work in our atmosphere anyhow

659
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:42,410
that's

660
00:36:49,240 --> 00:36:45,050
well I think well now when it comes to

661
00:36:53,770 --> 00:36:49,250
when it comes to the whole Phoenix

662
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:53,780
lights and the sightings earlier that

663
00:37:00,040 --> 00:36:55,850
evening I think there was there was only

664
00:37:02,860 --> 00:37:00,050
one video taken the the earlier

665
00:37:08,260 --> 00:37:02,870
sightings yes I think it was in what is

666
00:37:14,350 --> 00:37:08,270
of the northern part of Arizona yeah was

667
00:37:17,050 --> 00:37:14,360
any analysis done on those lights in

668
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:17,060
comparison with the larger ones that

669
00:37:21,220 --> 00:37:19,490
were seen then over Phoenix yeah later

670
00:37:24,610 --> 00:37:21,230
on that evening were there any

671
00:37:28,570 --> 00:37:24,620
similarities was just the same craft or

672
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:28,580
something different well it was similar

673
00:37:37,570 --> 00:37:33,650
enough to say that that somehow they're

674
00:37:40,150 --> 00:37:37,580
related the people that work in

675
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:40,160
Photoshop or other image processing they

676
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:41,930
would know that you can look at any

677
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:45,530
light with its RGB red green and blue

678
00:37:51,010 --> 00:37:48,050
value or the histogram as its called

679
00:37:53,770 --> 00:37:51,020
and you can categorize lights in part by

680
00:37:56,890 --> 00:37:53,780
their RGB red green and blue color

681
00:38:01,110 --> 00:37:56,900
spectrum content the color spectrum of

682
00:38:05,050 --> 00:38:01,120
the videos that were seen in Phoenix

683
00:38:08,830 --> 00:38:05,060
over Phoenix and the videos that come

684
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:08,840
from Northern Arizona have the same

685
00:38:19,870 --> 00:38:17,570
similar aspects to how the lights are

686
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:19,880
put together into the formations that

687
00:38:27,570 --> 00:38:24,650
they fly so they're the pathway starts

688
00:38:33,730 --> 00:38:27,580
in Pulde in Arizona in Northwest Arizona

689
00:38:35,980 --> 00:38:33,740
comes down over mayor and then over

690
00:38:39,820 --> 00:38:35,990
Phoenix down the Tucson turns around and

691
00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:39,830
comes back goes behind the south part of

692
00:38:47,620 --> 00:38:42,730
Phoenix up to the Luke Air Force Base

693
00:38:49,810 --> 00:38:47,630
flies near almost overtop of Luke Air

694
00:38:54,030 --> 00:38:49,820
Force Base and back up to Paulding and

695
00:38:55,850 --> 00:38:54,040
out of the state that's the pathway well

696
00:39:03,160 --> 00:38:55,860
there see

697
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:03,170
it's either coming from Nellis and other

698
00:39:14,690 --> 00:39:11,370
test test facilities standard in Arizona

699
00:39:16,850 --> 00:39:14,700
and Nevada followed a pathway down got

700
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:16,860
it was it something that was done

701
00:39:22,190 --> 00:39:19,890
purposefully to fly over residential

702
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:22,200
airspace was something that got out of

703
00:39:25,940 --> 00:39:23,970
control where they were able to get it

704
00:39:27,650 --> 00:39:25,950
back into control and bring it back or

705
00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:27,660
was it something totally different

706
00:39:35,180 --> 00:39:32,880
whatever it was it left the same way it

707
00:39:39,380 --> 00:39:35,190
came in from up in that part of the

708
00:39:43,550 --> 00:39:39,390
state at all the images photographic edy

709
00:39:48,650 --> 00:39:43,560
video had similar enough properties that

710
00:39:51,620 --> 00:39:48,660
it could be said that their fingerprints

711
00:39:52,420 --> 00:39:51,630
a set of 10 you know from the same

712
00:39:54,830 --> 00:39:52,430
person

713
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:54,840
you know there's none that's not

714
00:40:02,150 --> 00:39:57,810
directly and there's more of an analogy

715
00:40:06,530 --> 00:40:02,160
sure but but they could be categorized

716
00:40:08,300 --> 00:40:06,540
as more like each other than like

717
00:40:12,140 --> 00:40:08,310
anything else that's out there including

718
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:12,150
hale-bopp when i'll you know a lot of

719
00:40:17,740 --> 00:40:15,810
people naturally attribute to the the

720
00:40:22,070 --> 00:40:17,750
larger light scene or phoenix as

721
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:22,080
military flares but the you know the

722
00:40:26,630 --> 00:40:25,290
analysis that you dad showed the lights

723
00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:26,640
were just you know completely different

724
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:30,480
then yeah some players okay that's right

725
00:40:36,130 --> 00:40:33,210
the optical characteristics are totally

726
00:40:40,610 --> 00:40:36,140
different but the altitude and aperture

727
00:40:44,690 --> 00:40:40,620
to be able to see them from Phoenix the

728
00:40:48,980 --> 00:40:44,700
distance away that they are self uh is

729
00:40:51,140 --> 00:40:48,990
very unlikely what I was talking about

730
00:40:55,580 --> 00:40:51,150
by coincidence the place that Kalinda

731
00:40:58,430 --> 00:40:55,590
and I were working than in Tucson uh two

732
00:41:01,280 --> 00:40:58,440
of the guys that worked there were the

733
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:01,290
former base commander and the chief

734
00:41:06,620 --> 00:41:04,800
pilot of the Arizona National Guard hmm

735
00:41:08,450 --> 00:41:06,630
remember they were all supposedly

736
00:41:09,590 --> 00:41:08,460
involved in the Phoenix lights and knew

737
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:09,600
what's going on and all

738
00:41:14,300 --> 00:41:12,090
that right here well you know we would

739
00:41:17,450 --> 00:41:14,310
talk to them regularly after work and

740
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:17,460
during work about those people from

741
00:41:21,470 --> 00:41:20,130
Maryland they're just making it up in

742
00:41:23,870 --> 00:41:21,480
fact they were saying that the people

743
00:41:25,820 --> 00:41:23,880
from Maryland who said that they were

744
00:41:28,460 --> 00:41:25,830
the ones that dropped the flares were

745
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:28,470
lying we have people from Arizona in

746
00:41:31,580 --> 00:41:30,210
National Guard say good the people from

747
00:41:33,980 --> 00:41:31,590
Maryland National Guard are lying

748
00:41:38,350 --> 00:41:33,990
because they were sitting with them at

749
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:38,360
6:30 at night that night drinking beer

750
00:41:41,930 --> 00:41:39,690
now

751
00:41:43,850 --> 00:41:41,940
if drinking beer together is not a cover

752
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:43,860
it's not a cover story a good reason I

753
00:41:48,460 --> 00:41:46,530
don't know what is today but that they

754
00:41:54,170 --> 00:41:48,470
couldn't have been up there at 8:30

755
00:41:58,310 --> 00:41:54,180
dropping flares up at 12 to 20 thousand

756
00:42:01,940 --> 00:41:58,320
feet altitude and being seen from

757
00:42:06,830 --> 00:42:01,950
Phoenix because you never drop those

758
00:42:09,650 --> 00:42:06,840
flares or go higher than 6,000 feet down

759
00:42:12,770 --> 00:42:09,660
there in that range even if they were

760
00:42:15,650 --> 00:42:12,780
there at that time 6:30 to 10:00 o'clock

761
00:42:17,390 --> 00:42:15,660
and could keep those flares hanging up

762
00:42:19,250 --> 00:42:17,400
in the air it's really kind of funny and

763
00:42:21,890 --> 00:42:19,260
it was cool to be working with people

764
00:42:29,270 --> 00:42:21,900
that if they're drinking beer we're

765
00:42:32,690 --> 00:42:29,280
drinking beer too I wonder what then why

766
00:42:35,270 --> 00:42:32,700
why they claimed to do that or did you

767
00:42:39,140 --> 00:42:35,280
know were they told well to say it asked

768
00:42:42,380 --> 00:42:39,150
them yeah well then there's there's

769
00:42:44,750 --> 00:42:42,390
another piston on this rankle engine all

770
00:42:48,020 --> 00:42:44,760
right this jankle engine and that was

771
00:42:50,030 --> 00:42:48,030
governor Fife Symington moo at Kirtland

772
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:50,040
census was going to enter was going to

773
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:53,010
investigate the flares and then he came

774
00:42:57,770 --> 00:42:55,170
out with his chief of staff in a rubber

775
00:43:00,650 --> 00:42:57,780
spacesuit and said we found the mystery

776
00:43:02,420 --> 00:43:00,660
of the flares and here it is and his

777
00:43:07,630 --> 00:43:02,430
chief of staff came out with a rubber

778
00:43:10,510 --> 00:43:07,640
spacesuit on meanwhile six weeks later

779
00:43:14,470 --> 00:43:10,520
Eileen Benz the public information

780
00:43:17,090 --> 00:43:14,480
officer for the Arizona National Guard

781
00:43:19,010 --> 00:43:17,100
which is run by the governor by the way

782
00:43:21,470 --> 00:43:19,020
president United States runs the

783
00:43:23,089 --> 00:43:21,480
military governor of a state runs the

784
00:43:27,589 --> 00:43:23,099
National Guard

785
00:43:28,190 --> 00:43:27,599
Oh governor Fife Symington National

786
00:43:31,489 --> 00:43:28,200
Guard

787
00:43:34,039 --> 00:43:31,499
Eileen Ben's chief public public

788
00:43:36,109 --> 00:43:34,049
information officer comes out I'll guess

789
00:43:38,809 --> 00:43:36,119
what guess what it was the Maryland

790
00:43:40,670 --> 00:43:38,819
National Guard we forgot to tell you

791
00:43:43,729 --> 00:43:40,680
back then I was a Maryland National

792
00:43:46,940 --> 00:43:43,739
Guard and they were flying bombing

793
00:43:50,660 --> 00:43:46,950
missions over the Goldwater range which

794
00:43:53,599 --> 00:43:50,670
is south of Phoenix near uh in between

795
00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:53,609
Phoenix and Tucson and that that's what

796
00:43:59,690 --> 00:43:55,920
everybody saw and that they were

797
00:44:02,420 --> 00:43:59,700
particular kinds of flares that can hang

798
00:44:04,910 --> 00:44:02,430
motionless up in the air for three

799
00:44:07,700 --> 00:44:04,920
minutes seemingly motionless and only

800
00:44:10,729 --> 00:44:07,710
slightly go down well we analyzed the

801
00:44:14,599 --> 00:44:10,739
color spectrum of them we analyzed for

802
00:44:16,130 --> 00:44:14,609
the smoke we talked to in fact you know

803
00:44:20,450 --> 00:44:16,140
he also went on other television shows

804
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:20,460
we talked to a guy who built layers was

805
00:44:27,219 --> 00:44:23,249
a flares designer for the US military

806
00:44:29,599 --> 00:44:27,229
and the CIA named Chuck Byers but fires

807
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:29,609
said I looked at that video to

808
00:44:34,999 --> 00:44:31,410
somebody's making it up those are

809
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:35,009
definitely not flares meanwhile we got

810
00:44:40,910 --> 00:44:37,890
MUFON who is mad because they're not on

811
00:44:42,499 --> 00:44:40,920
television a lot of people come against

812
00:44:45,289 --> 00:44:42,509
the case because they're not the ones

813
00:44:48,370 --> 00:44:45,299
that to be honest is it isn't that the

814
00:44:50,690 --> 00:44:48,380
way it always happens it is right yeah

815
00:44:53,299 --> 00:44:50,700
you know by the way I guess you heard

816
00:44:56,839 --> 00:44:53,309
this that one of the witnesses who just

817
00:45:01,609 --> 00:44:56,849
came forward was the actor Kurt Russell

818
00:45:04,309 --> 00:45:01,619
who turns out was a piloting a plane

819
00:45:06,620 --> 00:45:04,319
that was about to land at the the

820
00:45:10,039 --> 00:45:06,630
Phoenix Airport he said I was the pilot

821
00:45:14,420 --> 00:45:10,049
I saw six lights over the airport and

822
00:45:15,349 --> 00:45:14,430
absolute uniform in a v-shape yeah so

823
00:45:18,799 --> 00:45:15,359
there you go

824
00:45:21,170 --> 00:45:18,809
and any of India the case still gets a

825
00:45:24,529 --> 00:45:21,180
lot of attention to this day because it

826
00:45:27,499 --> 00:45:24,539
certainly is one of the more mystifying

827
00:45:29,539 --> 00:45:27,509
ones now they have returned I mean

828
00:45:31,339 --> 00:45:29,549
they're you know when I was staying out

829
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:31,349
there a couple years ago I was staying

830
00:45:36,849 --> 00:45:34,890
at the Ritz Carlton and we're having

831
00:45:38,769 --> 00:45:36,859
dinner beautiful view of the whole

832
00:45:41,620 --> 00:45:38,779
you know the area and happened to

833
00:45:43,329 --> 00:45:41,630
mention it to the to the you know the

834
00:45:48,009 --> 00:45:43,339
waitress on duty and she says now we've

835
00:45:51,759 --> 00:45:48,019
seen them before so you know there are

836
00:45:54,519 --> 00:45:51,769
there are other sightings and the and

837
00:45:56,739 --> 00:45:54,529
apparently they well Phoenix in that

838
00:46:01,239 --> 00:45:56,749
area of course has always been kind of a

839
00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:01,249
hotbed for UFO activity because you've

840
00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:04,400
got a pretty darn good view of the sky

841
00:46:08,890 --> 00:46:06,730
which is certainly melt here in

842
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:08,900
Manhattan I'll tell you that we've got

843
00:46:13,630 --> 00:46:11,690
four skyscrapers going up all within a

844
00:46:15,910 --> 00:46:13,640
radius of a block of me I mean right on

845
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:15,920
the block right I am you could County

846
00:46:20,589 --> 00:46:17,930
you couldn't see the stars if they had

847
00:46:23,259 --> 00:46:20,599
you know if there were any you know I

848
00:46:25,720 --> 00:46:23,269
guess it's it's unbelievable you'd have

849
00:46:27,430 --> 00:46:25,730
to live in one of those fancy you know

850
00:46:30,849 --> 00:46:27,440
like forty million dollar penthouse

851
00:46:32,890 --> 00:46:30,859
apartments with a telescope in your on

852
00:46:35,049 --> 00:46:32,900
your patio or something like that there

853
00:46:37,539 --> 00:46:35,059
that you see reflections so we know our

854
00:46:40,329 --> 00:46:37,549
mission I guess our mystery guest that's

855
00:46:42,130 --> 00:46:40,339
going to be on in a little while I think

856
00:46:44,799 --> 00:46:42,140
it's going to be really important to

857
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:44,809
hear what this guy has to say about a

858
00:46:51,009 --> 00:46:48,170
number of obscure cases that have far

859
00:46:53,229 --> 00:46:51,019
more credibility and far more that

860
00:46:56,019 --> 00:46:53,239
contribute to the overall body of work

861
00:46:57,519 --> 00:46:56,029
in big cases like the Phoenix like any

862
00:47:00,849 --> 00:46:57,529
flights are great that's really that's

863
00:47:02,859 --> 00:47:00,859
really good but you know you have to

864
00:47:08,039 --> 00:47:02,869
have been out there in the thick of it

865
00:47:12,039 --> 00:47:08,049
for 20 30 40 years and seen it on a

866
00:47:15,609 --> 00:47:12,049
constant basis not in for a while out

867
00:47:18,849 --> 00:47:15,619
for in out drive by the investigation

868
00:47:20,349 --> 00:47:18,859
but well Jim let's slide oh yeah let's

869
00:47:22,420 --> 00:47:20,359
hold it there because we've got to go to

870
00:47:24,460 --> 00:47:22,430
our top of the outro break and we come

871
00:47:27,569 --> 00:47:24,470
back we will find out who our mystery

872
00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:27,579
guest is that exploit whose daughter

873
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:37,220
[Music]

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00:47:45,180 --> 00:47:41,730
explode the bazaar your e-ticket ride

875
00:47:47,460 --> 00:47:45,190
into the world of the paranoid strap

876
00:47:51,530 --> 00:47:47,470
you're so keen as we traverse the

877
00:47:54,890 --> 00:47:51,540
universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

878
00:47:57,270 --> 00:47:54,900
ghost lost world

879
00:48:01,140 --> 00:47:57,280
cryptozoology as well as other

880
00:48:03,380 --> 00:48:01,150
dimensions it's time to take back the

881
00:48:06,270 --> 00:48:03,390
night the night

882
00:48:09,420 --> 00:48:06,280
now we're electrifying hosts of

883
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:09,430
exploring the bizarre Timothy bikini and

884
00:48:19,720 --> 00:48:17,800
and welcome back to the second hour of

885
00:48:22,090 --> 00:48:19,730
exploring the bazaar I'm Tim Schwarz

886
00:48:24,609 --> 00:48:22,100
tonight we are talking with mr. Jim

887
00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:24,619
Della Toso and I'm going to hand the

888
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:28,250
reins over to Jim because he is going to

889
00:48:34,599 --> 00:48:31,490
introduce us to our secret mystery

890
00:48:37,210 --> 00:48:34,609
guests who will interview for the second

891
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:37,220
part of tonight's program so Jim Tate

892
00:48:44,140 --> 00:48:40,490
away well I got a message through the

893
00:48:46,390 --> 00:48:44,150
grapevine a few days ago that Tim was

894
00:48:48,700 --> 00:48:46,400
thinking about having some other guests

895
00:48:52,570 --> 00:48:48,710
on but didn't know who it might be that

896
00:48:54,580 --> 00:48:52,580
would be interesting for me to you know

897
00:48:56,460 --> 00:48:54,590
share stories about or know what they

898
00:48:59,440 --> 00:48:56,470
were what they were up to or vice versa

899
00:49:02,349 --> 00:48:59,450
but it was unclear to me what was being

900
00:49:05,620 --> 00:49:02,359
what was really what was being asked so

901
00:49:07,660 --> 00:49:05,630
I started thinking about me guest is he

902
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:07,670
need another investigator what does Tim

903
00:49:11,859 --> 00:49:09,770
mean so I thought about it thought of

904
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:11,869
that and I finally came to the

905
00:49:18,790 --> 00:49:15,170
conclusion that the best person to have

906
00:49:20,859 --> 00:49:18,800
on the air who I would like to know

907
00:49:24,820 --> 00:49:20,869
things from that person in the audience

908
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:24,830
would love to know more from this person

909
00:49:31,770 --> 00:49:29,570
who has been a producer a director of an

910
00:49:35,980 --> 00:49:31,780
author has written many many books

911
00:49:38,170 --> 00:49:35,990
published been an investigator has been

912
00:49:44,740 --> 00:49:38,180
in it for years and years and our

913
00:49:47,770 --> 00:49:44,750
mystery guest is Tim Beck Lee oh well

914
00:49:49,950 --> 00:49:47,780
there there there you go let me take a

915
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:49,960
bow here yes

916
00:49:55,599 --> 00:49:53,810
so Tim Schwartz was in cahoots with me

917
00:49:58,450 --> 00:49:55,609
on it oh really

918
00:50:05,740 --> 00:49:58,460
well I have wonderful family but we'll

919
00:50:10,630 --> 00:50:05,750
have to cut back on okay then begin yeah

920
00:50:13,180 --> 00:50:10,640
but but my choices of having somebody on

921
00:50:15,849 --> 00:50:13,190
or somebody I could that I wanted to

922
00:50:18,940 --> 00:50:15,859
blow some smoke up there or went to

923
00:50:22,599 --> 00:50:18,950
pasteurize them or find out stuff I came

924
00:50:25,240 --> 00:50:22,609
- bottom line is you so I went and

925
00:50:27,289 --> 00:50:25,250
looked online to find interviews with

926
00:50:31,189 --> 00:50:27,299
Tim Beckley and we found two

927
00:50:33,019 --> 00:50:31,199
you know yeah well that needs to be more

928
00:50:36,589 --> 00:50:33,029
out there so there's going to be another

929
00:50:38,689 --> 00:50:36,599
there are so many interviews that that

930
00:50:40,370 --> 00:50:38,699
I've that I've done it's now are we

931
00:50:42,739 --> 00:50:40,380
talking of the written interviews or

932
00:50:45,649 --> 00:50:42,749
audio interviews or talking just like

933
00:50:47,299 --> 00:50:45,659
we're doing right now or then I I have

934
00:50:50,209 --> 00:50:47,309
done so many interviews it boggles the

935
00:50:53,479 --> 00:50:50,219
mind I mean how come I never heard any

936
00:50:56,359 --> 00:50:53,489
of them how come I don't know how long

937
00:50:59,809 --> 00:50:56,369
ago you started because I find pictures

938
00:51:03,769 --> 00:50:59,819
of of you from the 1930s where you heard

939
00:51:06,949 --> 00:51:03,779
you look like an adult oh no no no I

940
00:51:09,499 --> 00:51:06,959
guess I got started it is a well I you

941
00:51:12,919 --> 00:51:09,509
know I got started in this probably when

942
00:51:15,559 --> 00:51:12,929
I was about 10 years old I mean I went

943
00:51:18,699 --> 00:51:15,569
out and I think I found a copy of fate

944
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:18,709
magazine it was 35 cents in those days

945
00:51:26,809 --> 00:51:22,890
and you know I the ghost stories and the

946
00:51:28,729 --> 00:51:26,819
life after death experiences spoke to

947
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:28,739
the spook the hell out of me to be

948
00:51:37,099 --> 00:51:34,130
honest you know with you and then at the

949
00:51:40,909 --> 00:51:37,109
couple of years later I had my first of

950
00:51:42,919 --> 00:51:40,919
three UFO sightings you know the first

951
00:51:46,699 --> 00:51:42,929
one being while I was growing up in New

952
00:51:49,669 --> 00:51:46,709
Jersey and they were new right like you

953
00:51:51,499 --> 00:51:49,679
have two bright lights in the side a 1-1

954
00:51:53,659 --> 00:51:51,509
directly over the house where we were

955
00:51:56,179 --> 00:51:53,669
sitting on the front porch and one over

956
00:51:58,189 --> 00:51:56,189
in a Bandhan factory building and these

957
00:52:00,829 --> 00:51:58,199
things like you know circled in the sky

958
00:52:03,979 --> 00:52:00,839
probably for about 15 or 20 minutes and

959
00:52:05,659 --> 00:52:03,989
then the one across the street it looked

960
00:52:07,249 --> 00:52:05,669
like somebody had pulled a yellow light

961
00:52:10,129 --> 00:52:07,259
switch or something because it just went

962
00:52:11,479 --> 00:52:10,139
out and we were all seated outside

963
00:52:13,399 --> 00:52:11,489
because in those days was no air

964
00:52:15,919 --> 00:52:13,409
conditioning I mean it's you know you

965
00:52:18,469 --> 00:52:15,929
just sweat it sweat it on the cornice

966
00:52:20,359 --> 00:52:18,479
you sit on the porch yeah it is

967
00:52:22,849 --> 00:52:20,369
uniqueness at least you knew your

968
00:52:24,469 --> 00:52:22,859
neighbors I mean we have no idea who our

969
00:52:26,899 --> 00:52:24,479
neighbors are now because they're all

970
00:52:30,609 --> 00:52:26,909
visitors from foreign countries actually

971
00:52:33,919 --> 00:52:30,619
but them stay here in the and and the

972
00:52:37,189 --> 00:52:33,929
apartment building but anyway so I you

973
00:52:39,439 --> 00:52:37,199
know I started reading up on the on the

974
00:52:41,359 --> 00:52:39,449
literature and in those days you had a

975
00:52:43,909 --> 00:52:41,369
either you had your choice

976
00:52:46,249 --> 00:52:43,919
you could pick some of the wilder

977
00:52:50,659 --> 00:52:46,259
accounts you know the contactee stories

978
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:50,669
like George Adamski yeah or or you could

979
00:52:57,949 --> 00:52:53,249
get and I use this in quotes more

980
00:53:00,620 --> 00:52:57,959
serious with some of the works of ode

981
00:53:02,929 --> 00:53:00,630
major Donald Lee Kehoe who was running

982
00:53:05,989 --> 00:53:02,939
that the national investigations

983
00:53:08,650 --> 00:53:05,999
committee on aerial phenomena and then

984
00:53:14,599 --> 00:53:08,660
there was a Edward de rappel to wrote a

985
00:53:16,849 --> 00:53:14,609
report on the UFOs and and so I guess I

986
00:53:19,999 --> 00:53:16,859
consumed all the literature that I could

987
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:20,009
find in those days paperback books were

988
00:53:25,189 --> 00:53:22,729
like a quarter or 35 cents you know and

989
00:53:28,219 --> 00:53:25,199
Frank Edwards was another one they

990
00:53:30,559 --> 00:53:28,229
offered that his books and the books of

991
00:53:33,739 --> 00:53:30,569
Charles Ford and the Weekly Reader they

992
00:53:37,039 --> 00:53:33,749
had a bit of a book service so I read

993
00:53:40,969 --> 00:53:37,049
all this stuff and I wrote to the local

994
00:53:43,849 --> 00:53:40,979
newspapers you know asking for anybody

995
00:53:46,519 --> 00:53:43,859
in the area who had UFO sightings to

996
00:53:49,459 --> 00:53:46,529
report them to me and I start getting

997
00:53:52,779 --> 00:53:49,469
phone calls and and mail from you know

998
00:53:55,429 --> 00:53:52,789
people who seem to have legitimate

999
00:53:59,209 --> 00:53:55,439
sightings of their own and some of them

1000
00:54:02,269 --> 00:53:59,219
even involved for lack of a better term

1001
00:54:04,779 --> 00:54:02,279
creatures I mean there I remember there

1002
00:54:06,769 --> 00:54:04,789
was one case near a Trenton there was a

1003
00:54:11,179 --> 00:54:06,779
reporter who worked for The Associated

1004
00:54:14,199 --> 00:54:11,189
Press his name was Amy and Sloboda and I

1005
00:54:16,519 --> 00:54:14,209
think probably the most famous

1006
00:54:19,009 --> 00:54:16,529
article on the UFOs they ever wrote

1007
00:54:22,159 --> 00:54:19,019
there was a fellow who was a night

1008
00:54:25,459 --> 00:54:22,169
watchman somewhere in the Trenton area

1009
00:54:29,390 --> 00:54:25,469
who had an encounter with a UFO while he

1010
00:54:31,519 --> 00:54:29,400
was on duty as the watchman and I guess

1011
00:54:34,999 --> 00:54:31,529
he was slightly burned or he you know

1012
00:54:38,329 --> 00:54:35,009
there he had some negative experience

1013
00:54:40,699 --> 00:54:38,339
and he actually hired a lawyer to

1014
00:54:43,579 --> 00:54:40,709
collect you know unemployment would he

1015
00:54:46,969 --> 00:54:43,589
call it insurance benefit benefits

1016
00:54:48,499 --> 00:54:46,979
nasally oh yes he did he got hurt I got

1017
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:48,509
I got it he got it and this would have

1018
00:54:54,620 --> 00:54:52,650
been in nineteen what you know really 19

1019
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:54,630
years something is something like that

1020
00:54:57,350 --> 00:54:55,050
enough

1021
00:54:59,270 --> 00:54:57,360
and and and so a meal Sloboda started

1022
00:55:02,090 --> 00:54:59,280
printing my my letters I remember I

1023
00:55:05,420 --> 00:55:02,100
wrote them about underground undersea

1024
00:55:07,550 --> 00:55:05,430
UFO bases and I was getting calls from a

1025
00:55:10,250 --> 00:55:07,560
lot of stations they didn't realize I

1026
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:10,260
was about 15 years old a long time ago

1027
00:55:14,450 --> 00:55:12,690
you told me about when you would mini a

1028
00:55:17,270 --> 00:55:14,460
graph that you had a little newsletter

1029
00:55:20,060 --> 00:55:17,280
and a mimeograph machine tell us about

1030
00:55:22,070 --> 00:55:20,070
that yeah well you know in those days

1031
00:55:25,609 --> 00:55:22,080
you could actually go to the bank and

1032
00:55:28,430 --> 00:55:25,619
put 50 cents in a week the the school in

1033
00:55:30,380 --> 00:55:28,440
school they had a thing where you know

1034
00:55:32,090 --> 00:55:30,390
you could start a bank account and every

1035
00:55:34,940 --> 00:55:32,100
week you bound in your quarters and and

1036
00:55:37,430 --> 00:55:34,950
and and so after a while I had like 300

1037
00:55:40,310 --> 00:55:37,440
dollars saved and I decided to splurge

1038
00:55:42,859 --> 00:55:40,320
so I went out and I bought this cassette

1039
00:55:46,810 --> 00:55:42,869
there mimeograph machine and it was me

1040
00:55:51,380 --> 00:55:46,820
and Jerry Clark in fact I found the book

1041
00:55:53,210 --> 00:55:51,390
called inside the saucers 1962 would you

1042
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:53,220
mean first thing first thing that I

1043
00:55:59,870 --> 00:55:56,610
actually published as far as a volume

1044
00:56:02,570 --> 00:55:59,880
went it was printed on a Ditto machine

1045
00:56:05,330 --> 00:56:02,580
and I had since lost I mean I didn't

1046
00:56:06,950 --> 00:56:05,340
have a copy but Rick Gilbert a found one

1047
00:56:09,260 --> 00:56:06,960
in his collection so he sent it to me

1048
00:56:10,940 --> 00:56:09,270
and having I'm having somebody reset to

1049
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:10,950
type and I'm going to put this out

1050
00:56:16,790 --> 00:56:13,290
exactly the way that it was published

1051
00:56:18,710 --> 00:56:16,800
right when I was like 15 years old and

1052
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:18,720
some of the material is pretty doggone

1053
00:56:24,260 --> 00:56:21,570
good in fact I was the first I believe

1054
00:56:27,349 --> 00:56:24,270
to actually talk about how some of these

1055
00:56:29,780 --> 00:56:27,359
craft might have been the inventions of

1056
00:56:31,460 --> 00:56:29,790
some of these Nazi scientists and

1057
00:56:34,250 --> 00:56:31,470
engineers you know that were brought

1058
00:56:36,530 --> 00:56:34,260
here as part of Project Paperclip a

1059
00:56:38,780 --> 00:56:36,540
theory that has gotten the more of

1060
00:56:42,650 --> 00:56:38,790
popular over the years and certainly was

1061
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:42,660
not at all you know accepted back in in

1062
00:56:47,510 --> 00:56:45,090
those a day so I started out with this

1063
00:56:49,970 --> 00:56:47,520
newsletter and you're on Clark

1064
00:56:52,190 --> 00:56:49,980
oh well mr. Jerome Clark and a lot of

1065
00:56:54,830 --> 00:56:52,200
people who later became oh yeah well

1066
00:56:58,010 --> 00:56:54,840
established in the UFO field including

1067
00:57:01,280 --> 00:56:58,020
Lucius Farish who had the ozark a UFO a

1068
00:57:03,530 --> 00:57:01,290
conference for a while but he we had a

1069
00:57:05,510 --> 00:57:03,540
falling-out with him because he didn't

1070
00:57:07,490 --> 00:57:05,520
like the fact that I was associated and

1071
00:57:08,810 --> 00:57:07,500
friends with Jim Mosely a great barker

1072
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:08,820
oh yeah yeah

1073
00:57:15,410 --> 00:57:11,610
because they were going well not so much

1074
00:57:16,490 --> 00:57:15,420
skeptics but they were known as known on

1075
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:16,500
board

1076
00:57:21,110 --> 00:57:19,850
it is sort of antagonistic and

1077
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:21,120
pranksters

1078
00:57:27,410 --> 00:57:23,010
you know Jim Mosely we always known as

1079
00:57:30,170 --> 00:57:27,420
the court jester of ufology I had you

1080
00:57:31,580 --> 00:57:30,180
mostly I got right I work for you know I

1081
00:57:35,380 --> 00:57:31,590
worked for him for quite a number of

1082
00:57:38,030 --> 00:57:35,390
years at saucer news in fact with my

1083
00:57:40,610 --> 00:57:38,040
interplanetary news service report

1084
00:57:42,500 --> 00:57:40,620
I came became too much for me to handle

1085
00:57:44,150 --> 00:57:42,510
because remember in those days there

1086
00:57:47,870 --> 00:57:44,160
were no quick copy places or anything

1087
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:47,880
yeah you had to print them and and and

1088
00:57:52,340 --> 00:57:50,010
there were 40 pages so 20 sheets of

1089
00:57:54,290 --> 00:57:52,350
paper we put them up all over the the

1090
00:57:56,570 --> 00:57:54,300
couch and an ironing board and he had a

1091
00:57:58,430 --> 00:57:56,580
collated by hand and staple him at the

1092
00:58:01,030 --> 00:57:58,440
end and take him to the pump ups and

1093
00:58:04,700 --> 00:58:01,040
well what a mess and time-consuming and

1094
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:04,710
it was cutting down on my my schoolwork

1095
00:58:08,810 --> 00:58:06,810
which I was never all like the great at

1096
00:58:10,420 --> 00:58:08,820
you know people said oh give up on that

1097
00:58:14,450 --> 00:58:10,430
you'll never make anything of yourself

1098
00:58:17,330 --> 00:58:14,460
ha ha ha came up that week or give up on

1099
00:58:19,430 --> 00:58:17,340
the magazine yeah give had over the

1100
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:19,440
years of course I became editor about 30

1101
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:21,690
different newsstand publications some of

1102
00:58:27,020 --> 00:58:24,330
which didn't last very long to say

1103
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:27,030
they're some of the magazine's well one

1104
00:58:32,750 --> 00:58:28,970
of my favorite actually was front-page

1105
00:58:35,750 --> 00:58:32,760
disasters it only it only lasted three

1106
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:35,760
issues but I enjoyed doing it it was for

1107
00:58:40,010 --> 00:58:37,530
a small publisher that where there were

1108
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:40,020
two brothers who call themselves cousins

1109
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:41,370
publications I don't know why they

1110
00:58:44,090 --> 00:58:42,410
didn't call themselves brothers

1111
00:58:47,710 --> 00:58:44,100
publications but it was cousins

1112
00:58:52,430 --> 00:58:47,720
publications and they put out all these

1113
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:52,440
very cheaply printed pulp magazines you

1114
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:54,330
know printed on newsprint you know and

1115
00:58:59,860 --> 00:58:56,610
so they wanted to do a magazine on

1116
00:59:02,240 --> 00:58:59,870
disasters now I never turned down a job

1117
00:59:04,550 --> 00:59:02,250
even if I didn't know something about a

1118
00:59:07,970 --> 00:59:04,560
subject I had the ability to go out and

1119
00:59:10,910 --> 00:59:07,980
find others who were you know

1120
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:10,920
authorities are experts in the in their

1121
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:13,650
other feel right yeah just pretty much

1122
00:59:19,730 --> 00:59:17,130
like do we do with UFOs and so forth so

1123
00:59:21,860 --> 00:59:19,740
I enjoyed the front page disasters I

1124
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:21,870
mean we had the airplane crashes and

1125
00:59:25,580 --> 00:59:22,650
house--a

1126
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:25,590
if it was to go to go on and you know

1127
00:59:29,810 --> 00:59:27,450
the train and stuff like that and then

1128
00:59:32,450 --> 00:59:29,820
they were there I always managed to get

1129
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:32,460
at least one what I would consider to be

1130
00:59:38,690 --> 00:59:36,450
offbeat a a story I mean I did an

1131
00:59:41,630 --> 00:59:38,700
article on the Bermuda Triangle because

1132
00:59:45,380 --> 00:59:41,640
many people were disappearing there that

1133
00:59:48,230 --> 00:59:45,390
certainly is a big ongoing disaster

1134
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:48,240
earthquake lights was another one I

1135
00:59:53,990 --> 00:59:51,210
remember that I because associated with

1136
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:54,000
a lot of earthquakes especially in China

1137
00:59:59,870 --> 00:59:56,370
in the 1920s were these mysterious

1138
01:00:02,270 --> 00:59:59,880
globes of plasma type phenomena

1139
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:02,280
maybe orbs I don't know if you want what

1140
01:00:07,430 --> 01:00:03,810
you want to call them but they they seem

1141
01:00:09,740 --> 01:00:07,440
to be spying or keeping an eye on the

1142
01:00:11,630 --> 01:00:09,750
area where these earthquakes were taking

1143
01:00:13,670 --> 01:00:11,640
place and in some of these earthquakes I

1144
01:00:16,580 --> 01:00:13,680
mean they were responsible for the

1145
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:16,590
deaths of sixty seventy thousand people

1146
01:00:20,770 --> 01:00:18,090
you know the structures of the building

1147
01:00:23,750 --> 01:00:20,780
we're nothing like they were they are

1148
01:00:26,030 --> 01:00:23,760
today and in some of these more remote

1149
01:00:28,370 --> 01:00:26,040
countries it was just absolutely

1150
01:00:30,590 --> 01:00:28,380
terrible what devastation could come

1151
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:30,600
about so that was one magazine and I

1152
01:00:35,420 --> 01:00:33,330
actually enjoyed doing that I didn't

1153
01:00:37,970 --> 01:00:35,430
like hey Tim before you go on to that

1154
01:00:40,580 --> 01:00:37,980
once you tell us real quick the story

1155
01:00:43,700 --> 01:00:40,590
about how that magazine ended up in a

1156
01:00:45,290 --> 01:00:43,710
movie oh yeah you know I did a book it

1157
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:45,300
just a recently Tim and I worked on a

1158
01:00:49,700 --> 01:00:46,770
book with Sean Castile and bunch of

1159
01:00:52,540 --> 01:00:49,710
other people it's called the matrix

1160
01:00:55,010 --> 01:00:52,550
control system of philip k dick and the

1161
01:01:00,130 --> 01:00:55,020
paranormal synchronicities of tim

1162
01:01:02,420 --> 01:01:00,140
Beckley Wow I have like okay well

1163
01:01:03,860 --> 01:01:02,430
synchronicities follow me all over I

1164
01:01:06,710 --> 01:01:03,870
mean you can hear some of the shows that

1165
01:01:08,150 --> 01:01:06,720
I've did on the subject some of these

1166
01:01:09,860 --> 01:01:08,160
things are amazing I mean I'm not

1167
01:01:12,410 --> 01:01:09,870
talking about waking up and seeing the

1168
01:01:14,420 --> 01:01:12,420
o'clock saying you know four for four or

1169
01:01:15,830 --> 01:01:14,430
taking you somebody and they call the

1170
01:01:17,300 --> 01:01:15,840
next day on the phone I mean we're

1171
01:01:20,060 --> 01:01:17,310
talking about something even you know

1172
01:01:22,820 --> 01:01:20,070
stranger there's some controlling factor

1173
01:01:26,300 --> 01:01:22,830
here like one it it and it does tie in

1174
01:01:28,330 --> 01:01:26,310
with with UFOs to it to a to a rather

1175
01:01:31,730 --> 01:01:28,340
large extent I would I would think

1176
01:01:33,620 --> 01:01:31,740
anyway okay there what do you think I

1177
01:01:35,420 --> 01:01:33,630
had a group of people or friends you

1178
01:01:36,570 --> 01:01:35,430
know we're drinking I have time but I a

1179
01:01:40,380 --> 01:01:36,580
good time

1180
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:40,390
I got the TV on and there's a murder

1181
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:42,370
mystery now I can't tell you the title

1182
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:44,050
of the movie because I've forgotten it

1183
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:48,490
but I think that oh who was the fellow

1184
01:01:53,370 --> 01:01:51,010
that was in Close Encounters the poacher

1185
01:01:55,290 --> 01:01:53,380
Dreyfuss Richard Dreyfuss yes and I and

1186
01:01:57,780 --> 01:01:55,300
I bet the movie is called the big fix

1187
01:02:00,000 --> 01:01:57,790
well you know I could never figure out

1188
01:02:02,690 --> 01:02:00,010
what the title was but yet there's a

1189
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:02,700
murder mystery people are being a

1190
01:02:08,190 --> 01:02:05,290
murdered in this apartment building in

1191
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:08,200
New York and and he's trying to figure

1192
01:02:13,170 --> 01:02:10,330
out you know who is responsible for

1193
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:13,180
these murders taking place so there's

1194
01:02:20,430 --> 01:02:17,170
one particular scene where he chases the

1195
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:20,440
suspect out of the the building but he's

1196
01:02:27,390 --> 01:02:23,050
not sure whether the suspect went right

1197
01:02:30,570 --> 01:02:27,400
or went left so he goes up to the corner

1198
01:02:34,110 --> 01:02:30,580
and at the corner is one of these

1199
01:02:37,140 --> 01:02:34,120
outdoor newsstands and I guess he asked

1200
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:37,150
the the proprietor the owner of the the

1201
01:02:42,420 --> 01:02:39,610
newsstand did you see anybody you know

1202
01:02:44,310 --> 01:02:42,430
run past here and and I'm looking at the

1203
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:44,320
newsstand and normally you know they get

1204
01:02:47,370 --> 01:02:45,970
cigarettes a letter or this is even

1205
01:02:49,710 --> 01:02:47,380
before I forgot every tickets or

1206
01:02:51,900 --> 01:02:49,720
anything when was this what year

1207
01:02:55,890 --> 01:02:51,910
anything well yeah I would say what

1208
01:02:58,850 --> 01:02:55,900
would you say 10 the 80s yeah definitely

1209
01:03:01,320 --> 01:02:58,860
probably around 87 someone hanga okay so

1210
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:01,330
he's talking to the proprietor the

1211
01:03:08,460 --> 01:03:03,010
newsstand and there's a bunch of

1212
01:03:10,590 --> 01:03:08,470
magazines hanging up like on a by a like

1213
01:03:13,230 --> 01:03:10,600
a clothesline cook yeah close like yeah

1214
01:03:15,210 --> 01:03:13,240
yeah I was like what yeah you know like

1215
01:03:16,950 --> 01:03:15,220
it hold them up oh yeah yeah yeah and on

1216
01:03:21,030 --> 01:03:16,960
the blog New York boys ah yeah okay

1217
01:03:23,630 --> 01:03:21,040
there's only one magazine visible about

1218
01:03:27,810 --> 01:03:23,640
seven or eight copies of front-page

1219
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:27,820
disasters now first of all the magazine

1220
01:03:33,270 --> 01:03:30,970
did not sell a heck of a lot of copies I

1221
01:03:36,650 --> 01:03:33,280
never got the figures on it but let's

1222
01:03:38,780 --> 01:03:36,660
say they printed 60,000 and they sold

1223
01:03:41,430 --> 01:03:38,790
15,000 otherwise it would have lasted

1224
01:03:43,050 --> 01:03:41,440
more than three issues because breakeven

1225
01:03:44,700 --> 01:03:43,060
was like you know twenty-two percent if

1226
01:03:47,700 --> 01:03:44,710
he could sell twenty-two percent you

1227
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:47,710
could keep going with it so this was

1228
01:03:50,460 --> 01:03:50,050
already about ten or twelve years after

1229
01:03:57,510 --> 01:03:50,470
the

1230
01:03:59,880 --> 01:03:57,520
name did somebody get a hold of copies

1231
01:04:03,960 --> 01:03:59,890
of this magazine and why would they put

1232
01:04:06,510 --> 01:04:03,970
them up on this a clothesline and not

1233
01:04:09,089 --> 01:04:06,520
put anything else up I mean it's just

1234
01:04:11,250 --> 01:04:09,099
like so strange and and and so bizarre

1235
01:04:12,690 --> 01:04:11,260
and my friends when I told him Isis they

1236
01:04:14,849 --> 01:04:12,700
were in the room you know getting

1237
01:04:16,589 --> 01:04:14,859
drugged oh yeah yeah sure sure sure so I

1238
01:04:18,270 --> 01:04:16,599
went to my magazine you know right here

1239
01:04:20,130 --> 01:04:18,280
I keep all my old issues and I bring it

1240
01:04:22,349 --> 01:04:20,140
up what it is I said yeah look here's a

1241
01:04:24,810 --> 01:04:22,359
dear magazine and it's it's it's in the

1242
01:04:26,370 --> 01:04:24,820
it's in the movie for no particular

1243
01:04:27,900 --> 01:04:26,380
reason that I had that I know of

1244
01:04:29,130 --> 01:04:27,910
somebody must have had a couple of

1245
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:29,140
cartons of the magazine in their

1246
01:04:33,060 --> 01:04:30,730
basement or they work for a magazine

1247
01:04:35,940 --> 01:04:33,070
wholesaler dragged them out of the back

1248
01:04:37,740 --> 01:04:35,950
of their their their van or something

1249
01:04:39,870 --> 01:04:37,750
who knows I mean like how did they end

1250
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:39,880
up in that the movie they didn't end up

1251
01:04:44,010 --> 01:04:42,490
anywhere else that's right and they

1252
01:04:46,500 --> 01:04:44,020
wouldn't have to get a rights release

1253
01:04:48,359 --> 01:04:46,510
from you any other album agate yet and

1254
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:48,369
I'd have been dead for like I say four

1255
01:04:53,670 --> 01:04:51,730
years right so the the and they figured

1256
01:04:56,790 --> 01:04:53,680
nobody would see it anyway right well

1257
01:04:59,849 --> 01:04:56,800
I've got I've got Eagle Eagle eyes

1258
01:05:02,460 --> 01:04:59,859
that's where for sure but there are

1259
01:05:04,620 --> 01:05:02,470
magazines too books you started going

1260
01:05:07,620 --> 01:05:04,630
books because I I know you've done books

1261
01:05:10,140 --> 01:05:07,630
because I have at least ten well we've

1262
01:05:15,270 --> 01:05:10,150
done we've done about two hundred and

1263
01:05:17,070 --> 01:05:15,280
seventy I think well just yes oh we just

1264
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:17,080
came we just came out with a book this

1265
01:05:25,620 --> 01:05:21,970
week it's called hidden treasures of the

1266
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:25,630
Knights Templar mmm and you know I

1267
01:05:32,670 --> 01:05:28,570
optional title yeah since my background

1268
01:05:35,670 --> 01:05:32,680
is that of magazine publishing and

1269
01:05:39,900 --> 01:05:35,680
magazine packaging I kind of look at a

1270
01:05:42,839 --> 01:05:39,910
book in the the same way I will take a

1271
01:05:44,790 --> 01:05:42,849
manuscript say one that's been in my you

1272
01:05:47,730 --> 01:05:44,800
know the files or something that's in

1273
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:47,740
the public domain and then I will call

1274
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:52,570
upon my freelancers people that I

1275
01:05:57,930 --> 01:05:55,330
associate with and work with and who are

1276
01:06:00,030 --> 01:05:57,940
experts in a particular area and ask

1277
01:06:04,259 --> 01:06:00,040
them to contribute their thoughts on the

1278
01:06:06,809 --> 01:06:04,269
subject it's much like doing a UFO

1279
01:06:09,569 --> 01:06:06,819
in book form yeah it's the best way that

1280
01:06:11,999 --> 01:06:09,579
I can describe it and I find it much

1281
01:06:14,699 --> 01:06:12,009
more exciting than just sitting there

1282
01:06:16,889 --> 01:06:14,709
and putting my stamp of approval on on

1283
01:06:19,859 --> 01:06:16,899
something but I wouldn't call it exactly

1284
01:06:23,099 --> 01:06:19,869
an anthology because there is a you know

1285
01:06:27,599 --> 01:06:23,109
a a thread that winds its way through

1286
01:06:29,639 --> 01:06:27,609
the through the the book it's like one

1287
01:06:31,709 --> 01:06:29,649
step at a time

1288
01:06:34,619 --> 01:06:31,719
like with the Knights Templar book we

1289
01:06:37,919 --> 01:06:34,629
had Brian Allen from England he wrote a

1290
01:06:40,709 --> 01:06:37,929
chapter about Rosslyn Chapel which

1291
01:06:43,139 --> 01:06:40,719
apparently there is some thought that

1292
01:06:46,049 --> 01:06:43,149
maybe well you know Jesus might have

1293
01:06:47,579 --> 01:06:46,059
been married and it ties with no we are

1294
01:06:50,129 --> 01:06:47,589
with all the mysteries of the the

1295
01:06:53,729 --> 01:06:50,139
bloodlines and and so forth yeah and

1296
01:06:56,849 --> 01:06:53,739
then we had a Renee Barnett who has a

1297
01:07:00,569 --> 01:06:56,859
radio show a podcast of her own write a

1298
01:07:04,369 --> 01:07:00,579
chapter on Rendell shuttle which is

1299
01:07:07,819 --> 01:07:04,379
another mysterious village in France

1300
01:07:11,519 --> 01:07:07,829
yeah where apparently the the priest

1301
01:07:14,569 --> 01:07:11,529
found some treasure and they built the

1302
01:07:17,459 --> 01:07:14,579
parish up and did a wonderful job of

1303
01:07:20,279 --> 01:07:17,469
spending of money and lavishly lots of

1304
01:07:23,159 --> 01:07:20,289
money lots of lots of money and somehow

1305
01:07:25,589 --> 01:07:23,169
also to it ties in where do we think

1306
01:07:29,999 --> 01:07:25,599
that the treasure may be hidden Oak

1307
01:07:33,569 --> 01:07:30,009
Island which if you follow the the TV

1308
01:07:37,889 --> 01:07:33,579
series on you know the History Channel

1309
01:07:40,069 --> 01:07:37,899
it's not so much even well the the you

1310
01:07:42,779 --> 01:07:40,079
Knights Templar were known as notorious

1311
01:07:45,629 --> 01:07:42,789
like bankers they were the first actual

1312
01:07:48,509 --> 01:07:45,639
bankers and landowners and collected a

1313
01:07:52,529 --> 01:07:48,519
lot of taxes and and work closely with

1314
01:07:55,259 --> 01:07:52,539
the kings and queens who had them

1315
01:07:58,259 --> 01:07:55,269
safeguard their jewelry so when they

1316
01:08:00,989 --> 01:07:58,269
left apparently to the new world because

1317
01:08:03,359 --> 01:08:00,999
you know Jim people were traveling all

1318
01:08:07,049 --> 01:08:03,369
over the the world back long before

1319
01:08:09,569 --> 01:08:07,059
Columbus that in the human world I mean

1320
01:08:11,819 --> 01:08:09,579
it's just it's a fact but it's the fact

1321
01:08:13,999 --> 01:08:11,829
that it's been the that's been the you

1322
01:08:17,309 --> 01:08:14,009
know covered up you know I mean

1323
01:08:18,070 --> 01:08:17,319
apparently the shipping and the

1324
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:18,080
traveling

1325
01:08:22,690 --> 01:08:19,850
it was pretty pretty well established

1326
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:22,700
and I always say the idea that you know

1327
01:08:24,940 --> 01:08:24,170
that the earth was flat and that we'd

1328
01:08:27,550 --> 01:08:24,950
fall off

1329
01:08:29,290 --> 01:08:27,560
was fostered by countries and groups

1330
01:08:32,260 --> 01:08:29,300
they didn't want anybody to travel

1331
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:32,270
outside of their own little local domain

1332
01:08:39,340 --> 01:08:37,370
so somehow the the the the riches of the

1333
01:08:42,220 --> 01:08:39,350
Knights Templar ended up off of new

1334
01:08:44,500 --> 01:08:42,230
foulon in this little island there but

1335
01:08:48,610 --> 01:08:44,510
it not only includes a jewelry and gold

1336
01:08:51,610 --> 01:08:48,620
and diamonds and so forth but some of

1337
01:08:54,430 --> 01:08:51,620
the greatest holy relics of our of all

1338
01:08:57,910 --> 01:08:54,440
time including the Holy Grail and the

1339
01:08:59,560 --> 01:08:57,920
Ark of the Covenant and so forth a very

1340
01:09:01,090 --> 01:08:59,570
strange story I mean I never thought

1341
01:09:06,130 --> 01:09:01,100
that frankly that I would be writing

1342
01:09:08,620 --> 01:09:06,140
about the Knights Templar and the Middle

1343
01:09:10,540 --> 01:09:08,630
Ages you know it's a it's something but

1344
01:09:13,090 --> 01:09:10,550
I you know I'm always up for something

1345
01:09:18,970 --> 01:09:13,100
new my next project I think is going to

1346
01:09:22,599 --> 01:09:18,980
be a book on phantom ships I've always

1347
01:09:25,420 --> 01:09:22,609
been fascinated by you know these are

1348
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:25,430
the flying dutchman and and there were

1349
01:09:31,690 --> 01:09:27,050
there are hundreds and hundreds of

1350
01:09:34,690 --> 01:09:31,700
stories about similar events where the

1351
01:09:37,030 --> 01:09:34,700
ships at you have been the scene that

1352
01:09:40,150 --> 01:09:37,040
have should not have sailed the you the

1353
01:09:42,310 --> 01:09:40,160
mighty seas for hundreds of years and

1354
01:09:44,230 --> 01:09:42,320
that's that's something I'm looking

1355
01:09:47,770 --> 01:09:44,240
forward to it to working on a little bit

1356
01:09:50,340 --> 01:09:47,780
slowly I'm collecting material but that

1357
01:09:53,380 --> 01:09:50,350
that's I think is going to be my next

1358
01:09:57,730 --> 01:09:53,390
project we're doing extra books we go to

1359
01:09:59,560 --> 01:09:57,740
Barnes & Noble or oh no well we of

1360
01:10:02,290 --> 01:09:59,570
course have our own website which is the

1361
01:10:04,300 --> 01:10:02,300
conspiracy journal dot-com Oh

1362
01:10:07,660 --> 01:10:04,310
which Tim Schwartz had that a long time

1363
01:10:11,610 --> 01:10:07,670
yeah absolutely he operates that and of

1364
01:10:17,370 --> 01:10:11,620
course if you go to amazon.com and type

1365
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:17,380
in inner light - global communications

1366
01:10:22,750 --> 01:10:20,210
700 books will show up I mean there are

1367
01:10:25,330 --> 01:10:22,760
some books there that have been long out

1368
01:10:27,460 --> 01:10:25,340
of print that I did for other publishers

1369
01:10:29,350 --> 01:10:27,470
is a couple of books on John Lennon

1370
01:10:31,839 --> 01:10:29,360
there's a couple of books that were

1371
01:10:35,350 --> 01:10:31,849
pirated by other publishers there's a

1372
01:10:37,810 --> 01:10:35,360
some far in the stuff and many editions

1373
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:37,820
of the titles that we've put out you

1374
01:10:44,229 --> 01:10:39,650
know I've managed to keep some of these

1375
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:44,239
books in personally for Fort for 40

1376
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:46,730
years and edit our material

1377
01:10:49,450 --> 01:10:48,290
gentleman I have to interrupt you here

1378
01:10:50,919 --> 01:10:49,460
because we're going to our bottom of the

1379
01:11:01,110 --> 01:10:50,929
hour break when we come back we'll

1380
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:05,290
now back to exploring the bazaar with

1381
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:07,850
two of the most electrifying researchers

1382
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:10,850
in the Paranoid your hostess Timothy

1383
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:16,130
evacuate Anton Schwartz once again Tim

1384
01:11:21,250 --> 01:11:19,370
here we are last segment of program and

1385
01:11:22,810 --> 01:11:21,260
it's just time just seems to be playing

1386
01:11:25,750 --> 01:11:22,820
so why don't we get back to our

1387
01:11:30,340 --> 01:11:25,760
conversation with Jim and our mystery

1388
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:30,350
guest Tim Beckley I am war for mr.

1389
01:11:36,610 --> 01:11:30,890
ghosts

1390
01:11:38,020 --> 01:11:36,620
Oh mr. egan I I could have tried to see

1391
01:11:39,729 --> 01:11:38,030
if I had known as I would have tried to

1392
01:11:41,860 --> 01:11:39,739
disguise my voice through like one of

1393
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:41,870
these voice scramblers yeah that was

1394
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:45,050
that was ever in tempting to do that

1395
01:11:49,210 --> 01:11:47,210
yeah yeah yeah I wanted to spring it on

1396
01:11:51,430 --> 01:11:49,220
you because we didn't want you to know

1397
01:11:56,890 --> 01:11:51,440
in advance and back out that was like a

1398
01:11:59,910 --> 01:11:56,900
certain Oh No yeah well yeah hey Jim I

1399
01:12:02,350 --> 01:11:59,920
got to ask you about the Moody Blues

1400
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:02,360
mm-hmm because you were certainly

1401
01:12:09,970 --> 01:12:05,690
associated with them and they had a heck

1402
01:12:13,950 --> 01:12:09,980
of a number of UFO sightings and I know

1403
01:12:17,770 --> 01:12:13,960
that one of the was it the flute player

1404
01:12:19,450 --> 01:12:17,780
ray Thomas I think who apparently even

1405
01:12:22,210 --> 01:12:19,460
had a close encounter with aliens who

1406
01:12:24,370 --> 01:12:22,220
visited his recording a recording studio

1407
01:12:27,250 --> 01:12:24,380
and left smudge prints on the plate

1408
01:12:29,410 --> 01:12:27,260
glass window yeah that's right yeah

1409
01:12:31,780 --> 01:12:29,420
however how did you get involved in them

1410
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:31,790
and what was the the scoop on their UFO

1411
01:12:41,470 --> 01:12:36,890
I knew a woman named Emily rainbow

1412
01:12:42,580 --> 01:12:41,480
terrain who was Jimi Hendrix girlfriend

1413
01:12:46,060 --> 01:12:42,590
for a long time

1414
01:12:49,540 --> 01:12:46,070
and gave the Moody Blues their name and

1415
01:12:52,450 --> 01:12:49,550
I met the Moody I met Mike Pinder the

1416
01:12:54,610 --> 01:12:52,460
one of the founders and the Mellotron

1417
01:12:59,200 --> 01:12:54,620
keyboard player through her introduction

1418
01:13:01,990 --> 01:12:59,210
and actually Wendell Stevens and I went

1419
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:02,000
to his home he's from England but at

1420
01:13:08,260 --> 01:13:05,810
that time he had a home this is 1978 he

1421
01:13:11,110 --> 01:13:08,270
was living in Malibu California and

1422
01:13:13,390 --> 01:13:11,120
Wendell I went and met him on the pier

1423
01:13:14,710 --> 01:13:13,400
down there at Alice's Restaurant Charlie

1424
01:13:19,420 --> 01:13:14,720
a couple ow

1425
01:13:22,300 --> 01:13:19,430
worries about his UFO experience that's

1426
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:22,310
why we were he didn't know I was in the

1427
01:13:29,440 --> 01:13:24,530
music business or anything we were there

1428
01:13:32,650 --> 01:13:29,450
Wendell and I were a Emily knew that

1429
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:32,660
Michael wanted to know more about what

1430
01:13:40,300 --> 01:13:36,650
had happened to him and couple of the

1431
01:13:43,690 --> 01:13:40,310
other guys in the band and that it could

1432
01:13:47,260 --> 01:13:43,700
just be discreetly set up so we went

1433
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:47,270
visited there on the pier he wanted us

1434
01:13:54,370 --> 01:13:51,650
to join him for dinner so we went up to

1435
01:13:58,630 --> 01:13:54,380
his house a recording studio called

1436
01:14:05,650 --> 01:13:58,640
indigo ranch up there in Malibu and had

1437
01:14:09,670 --> 01:14:05,660
dinner stayed overnight and talked mom

1438
01:14:11,980 --> 01:14:09,680
could have been all night uh and got to

1439
01:14:12,670 --> 01:14:11,990
know Mike pretty well while we were

1440
01:14:14,980 --> 01:14:12,680
there

1441
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:14,990
Mike found out other things though that

1442
01:14:20,620 --> 01:14:17,570
we were already working with Jerry

1443
01:14:23,440 --> 01:14:20,630
Weintraub and concerts West that was the

1444
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:23,450
same company that the Moody's were with

1445
01:14:29,860 --> 01:14:26,330
at that time and he thought that was

1446
01:14:32,890 --> 01:14:29,870
interesting coincidence so he called

1447
01:14:35,820 --> 01:14:32,900
while we were there he made the decision

1448
01:14:39,820 --> 01:14:35,830
that he was going to leave the band and

1449
01:14:42,940 --> 01:14:39,830
that he was going to move to Hawaii and

1450
01:14:46,090 --> 01:14:42,950
raise his sons who at that time we're

1451
01:14:51,550 --> 01:14:46,100
still single digits and age like four

1452
01:14:53,170 --> 01:14:51,560
and seven or whatever uh so he gave

1453
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:53,180
notice that he was going to leave the

1454
01:14:58,360 --> 01:14:55,930
band and oh by the way I met this guy

1455
01:14:59,830 --> 01:14:58,370
that's here and I get along with

1456
01:15:02,080 --> 01:14:59,840
somebody seems to know what he's doing

1457
01:15:05,020 --> 01:15:02,090
is working with Jerry and it saturated

1458
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:05,030
Tom Hewlett their day-to-day manager

1459
01:15:10,210 --> 01:15:08,330
already Peter Jackson all the names that

1460
01:15:15,340 --> 01:15:10,220
were used that we then had to use over

1461
01:15:18,910 --> 01:15:15,350
and over to / Mike Pender's introduction

1462
01:15:22,810 --> 01:15:18,920
be engaged to work with the band or for

1463
01:15:25,330 --> 01:15:22,820
the band enjoying things including the

1464
01:15:27,370 --> 01:15:25,340
interface of Patrick Mraz and getting

1465
01:15:28,540 --> 01:15:27,380
him to leave yes and come and join the

1466
01:15:32,550 --> 01:15:28,550
Moody's and

1467
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:32,560
other equipment and the Voyager theme uh

1468
01:15:40,690 --> 01:15:36,890
which I brought into the band the idea

1469
01:15:43,870 --> 01:15:40,700
of long distance Voyager and the Voyager

1470
01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:43,880
spacecraft and was a NASA project during

1471
01:15:49,870 --> 01:15:46,370
Jupiter and Saturn right yes we could

1472
01:15:52,210 --> 01:15:49,880
piggyback on top of that and get images

1473
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:52,220
from Saturn and all of that so here I

1474
01:16:00,940 --> 01:15:55,610
was hired to do that since was already

1475
01:16:02,830 --> 01:16:00,950
doing things for Three Dog Night and the

1476
01:16:07,110 --> 01:16:02,840
pointer sisters who were with Jerry

1477
01:16:10,090 --> 01:16:07,120
Weintraub we didn't have to audition

1478
01:16:13,090 --> 01:16:10,100
ourselves technical so to say we'd

1479
01:16:16,930 --> 01:16:13,100
already passed a difficult muster so

1480
01:16:19,950 --> 01:16:16,940
that that God is deeply involved and

1481
01:16:22,750 --> 01:16:19,960
right in that first tour right then and

1482
01:16:26,500 --> 01:16:22,760
this was long-distance Voyager which was

1483
01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:26,510
album number nine yes after the octave

1484
01:16:35,890 --> 01:16:31,130
and Patrick had the hurry hurry come and

1485
01:16:38,500 --> 01:16:35,900
record overdub himself in addition to

1486
01:16:42,250 --> 01:16:38,510
and sometimes replacing like Pinder's

1487
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:42,260
keyboard parts for gemini dream and i

1488
01:16:45,970 --> 01:16:43,970
know you're out there somewhere and you

1489
01:16:48,730 --> 01:16:45,980
know the other songs at work at so li i

1490
01:16:51,850 --> 01:16:48,740
know we had a remarkable evening at one

1491
01:16:54,970 --> 01:16:51,860
of our UFO dances with patrick Marea

1492
01:16:57,480 --> 01:16:54,980
showed up and ended up playing it at the

1493
01:17:01,930 --> 01:16:57,490
piano a lobby till about 3:00 a.m. i

1494
01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:01,940
yeah and i ballroom and angle - oh yeah

1495
01:17:06,940 --> 01:17:04,130
with that was staying at my house that

1496
01:17:12,060 --> 01:17:06,950
the band had by coincidence been doing

1497
01:17:23,230 --> 01:17:17,460
played in Phoenix so Patrick and Ray

1498
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:23,240
came out stayed at my house um flying

1499
01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:27,530
Hart ranch and then Patrick stayed on

1500
01:17:31,330 --> 01:17:30,290
for a few days so he came with me to go

1501
01:17:35,380 --> 01:17:31,340
down to your event

1502
01:17:37,510 --> 01:17:35,390
oh yes yeah and then played there yes

1503
01:17:39,850 --> 01:17:37,520
indeed like he played two nights wasn't

1504
01:17:42,230 --> 01:17:39,860
it one night in the lobby in the lounge

1505
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:42,240
he had to follow one night

1506
01:17:48,530 --> 01:17:44,970
brought do dual keyboards and video

1507
01:17:51,910 --> 01:17:48,540
projector oh my goodness what a setup we

1508
01:17:55,760 --> 01:17:51,920
had yeah and then a year or two later

1509
01:17:58,520 --> 01:17:55,770
you played with the UFO band acts that

1510
01:18:02,510 --> 01:17:58,530
after we had we had at your event and

1511
01:18:07,460 --> 01:18:02,520
you were the we were mostly visuals and

1512
01:18:09,770 --> 01:18:07,470
and you know folk and no vocals well we

1513
01:18:11,980 --> 01:18:09,780
have any requests are you saying so we

1514
01:18:17,090 --> 01:18:11,990
had other guests friends of yours that

1515
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:17,100
joined like the fellow there from the

1516
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:20,010
New York Dolls who was a good friend of

1517
01:18:24,890 --> 01:18:22,890
mine in fact he died nice player died on

1518
01:18:26,750 --> 01:18:24,900
my died on my birthday he had invited me

1519
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:26,760
backstage the dolls were Miley getting

1520
01:18:32,870 --> 01:18:29,930
together after what 30 years of being

1521
01:18:34,910 --> 01:18:32,880
broken up and Maura Maura see the

1522
01:18:37,190 --> 01:18:34,920
British of a performer have you have

1523
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:37,200
managed to get the David Johansen and

1524
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:38,610
all the rest of the band back together

1525
01:18:43,340 --> 01:18:41,130
again and they had played a couple of

1526
01:18:44,530 --> 01:18:43,350
gigs in England and we're coming here to

1527
01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:44,540
New York they were going to play

1528
01:18:48,830 --> 01:18:47,370
Randall's Island and I wondered why

1529
01:18:50,540 --> 01:18:48,840
didn't you know hear from him is the

1530
01:18:52,820 --> 01:18:50,550
wind like the backstage passes and all

1531
01:18:55,670 --> 01:18:52,830
that yeah where they were and I get a

1532
01:18:58,070 --> 01:18:55,680
call from a blue ocean our friend the

1533
01:18:59,600 --> 01:18:58,080
drummer who's accordingly not to I he

1534
01:19:04,010 --> 01:18:59,610
called me a 2:00 a.m. in the morning to

1535
01:19:07,670 --> 01:19:04,020
tell me that he had the bass player had

1536
01:19:11,510 --> 01:19:07,680
you know he passed away so I did was it

1537
01:19:14,510 --> 01:19:11,520
was a shock to us and you know it's

1538
01:19:17,060 --> 01:19:14,520
something that that I still think about

1539
01:19:20,060 --> 01:19:17,070
now I'm still in touch with his barber

1540
01:19:21,830 --> 01:19:20,070
his wife and we chat on Facebook every

1541
01:19:27,340 --> 01:19:21,840
once in a while she's very much

1542
01:19:32,690 --> 01:19:27,350
interested in UFOs and all but so now

1543
01:19:34,580 --> 01:19:32,700
Patrick after he broke with the the what

1544
01:19:35,990 --> 01:19:34,590
was he playing with yes right at the I

1545
01:19:39,770 --> 01:19:36,000
was playing with yes

1546
01:19:45,050 --> 01:19:39,780
yeah and left yes to come and join the

1547
01:19:47,990 --> 01:19:45,060
Moody's and stay with the Moody's five

1548
01:19:50,690 --> 01:19:48,000
or six years Tony Kaye was in other

1549
01:19:52,850 --> 01:19:50,700
words the two keyboard players and Tony

1550
01:19:54,629 --> 01:19:52,860
was kind of over to the side out of the

1551
01:19:59,759 --> 01:19:54,639
way and then Tobias

1552
01:20:02,339 --> 01:19:59,769
I would also play keyboards at the same

1553
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:02,349
time on stage but it was featuring

1554
01:20:08,609 --> 01:20:06,010
Patrick but then as time went on there

1555
01:20:12,719 --> 01:20:08,619
were the three girl singers were added

1556
01:20:15,270 --> 01:20:12,729
and another drummer and because a Graham

1557
01:20:18,989 --> 01:20:15,280
got arthritis as everybody our age does

1558
01:20:21,060 --> 01:20:18,999
and many people are aged too

1559
01:20:22,889 --> 01:20:21,070
and the band swell they've got bigger

1560
01:20:25,889 --> 01:20:22,899
bigger and Patrick left and went out of

1561
01:20:28,169 --> 01:20:25,899
zone and went back to he lives he's from

1562
01:20:32,639 --> 01:20:28,179
Switzerland not England and he's been

1563
01:20:37,069 --> 01:20:32,649
back there for years as a as a studio

1564
01:20:40,409 --> 01:20:37,079
manager and festival organizer the 200

1565
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:40,419
was it's a 200 or 300 year anniversary

1566
01:20:50,069 --> 01:20:46,090
of Mozart he was the the the leader of

1567
01:20:54,389 --> 01:20:50,079
that promotion in that effort in Austria

1568
01:20:58,790 --> 01:20:54,399
and the 500 year anniversary of

1569
01:21:00,569 --> 01:20:58,800
Switzerland like it was he was a person

1570
01:21:01,949 --> 01:21:00,579
organizing that and that's what he does

1571
01:21:06,389 --> 01:21:01,959
now

1572
01:21:08,909 --> 01:21:06,399
when I first met you I was very

1573
01:21:13,949 --> 01:21:08,919
impressed by the fact that you had so

1574
01:21:17,100 --> 01:21:13,959
many UFO artifacts in your in your yard

1575
01:21:19,469 --> 01:21:17,110
I know you're not talking not right I'm

1576
01:21:22,799 --> 01:21:19,479
not talking about you know a pieces of

1577
01:21:25,770 --> 01:21:22,809
the wreckage from Roswell right but you

1578
01:21:29,399 --> 01:21:25,780
had well I guess you were responsible

1579
01:21:31,739 --> 01:21:29,409
for building one of these the UFOs or

1580
01:21:34,889 --> 01:21:31,749
the saucers that Electric Light

1581
01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:34,899
Orchestra had taken on on tour right in

1582
01:21:42,149 --> 01:21:38,050
the out of the blue tour we met them we

1583
01:21:45,689 --> 01:21:42,159
met the the got involved with the

1584
01:21:50,219 --> 01:21:45,699
Emerson Lake & Palmer Tarkus tour and I

1585
01:21:54,389 --> 01:21:50,229
forget when that was 73 maybe 74 we had

1586
01:21:55,979 --> 01:21:54,399
made out of a lot of golf carts there

1587
01:21:58,709 --> 01:21:55,989
weren't electric golf carts and they

1588
01:22:01,409 --> 01:21:58,719
were they were gasoline-powered we

1589
01:22:06,540 --> 01:22:01,419
welded these Tarkus monsters on the golf

1590
01:22:08,430 --> 01:22:06,550
carts and uh and then in addition to

1591
01:22:10,410 --> 01:22:08,440
sound we were doing props were asked

1592
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:10,420
do some things for Electric Light

1593
01:22:16,860 --> 01:22:14,650
Orchestra and they we had proposed our

1594
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:16,870
round speaker cabinets and using those

1595
01:22:22,020 --> 01:22:19,930
which were done in the round to doing

1596
01:22:25,110 --> 01:22:22,030
the show in the round and the stage

1597
01:22:27,090 --> 01:22:25,120
would be built to be done in the centre

1598
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:27,100
of the basketball court in the round and

1599
01:22:33,959 --> 01:22:29,650
most of the shows were in the round and

1600
01:22:38,729 --> 01:22:33,969
we built that system years later we

1601
01:22:42,950 --> 01:22:38,739
built the guide it was the general

1602
01:22:47,240 --> 01:22:42,960
contractor for the us festival ron hayes

1603
01:22:50,790 --> 01:22:47,250
hired us Allan Ames and I did get the

1604
01:22:54,660 --> 01:22:50,800
UFO that was basically a giant Chinese

1605
01:22:59,040 --> 01:22:54,670
lantern that was suspended by helicopter

1606
01:23:06,240 --> 01:22:59,050
that flew in over the closing of the us

1607
01:23:09,030 --> 01:23:06,250
festival in 1983 about 400,000 people

1608
01:23:13,350 --> 01:23:09,040
out there in San Bernardino California

1609
01:23:17,630 --> 01:23:13,360
and then the following year same object

1610
01:23:24,170 --> 01:23:17,640
just with some extra hoops on it for the

1611
01:23:29,660 --> 01:23:24,180
1984 closing ceremony of the Olympics in

1612
01:23:33,140 --> 01:23:29,670
Los Angeles it was a whole Star Wars

1613
01:23:36,959 --> 01:23:33,150
alien closing ceremony theme and I I

1614
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:36,969
still have that kit it's a big aluminum

1615
01:23:44,820 --> 01:23:40,570
magnesium erector set that we made from

1616
01:23:47,310 --> 01:23:44,830
scratch well now Jim why do you think

1617
01:23:51,090 --> 01:23:47,320
that there seems to be such a crossover

1618
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:51,100
between the musical world rock musicians

1619
01:23:57,590 --> 01:23:54,010
and and UFOs I mean a lot of them have

1620
01:24:02,689 --> 01:23:57,600
had UFO experiences you know as we've

1621
01:24:05,610 --> 01:24:02,699
pointed out I mean John Lennon of course

1622
01:24:08,040 --> 01:24:05,620
had his big sighting over at New York

1623
01:24:12,180 --> 01:24:08,050
City here and even wrote it into the

1624
01:24:15,990 --> 01:24:12,190
lyrics of one of his song strange days

1625
01:24:20,189 --> 01:24:16,000
indeed mama awfully you know so there

1626
01:24:22,480 --> 01:24:20,199
just seemed to be a bit more than you

1627
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:22,490
know a inappropriate number

1628
01:24:29,440 --> 01:24:25,850
high number of musicians than you would

1629
01:24:31,750 --> 01:24:29,450
think you know it that would be

1630
01:24:34,480 --> 01:24:31,760
environments who have a an actual fact

1631
01:24:37,090 --> 01:24:34,490
do you think I know a granted Cameron I

1632
01:24:39,820 --> 01:24:37,100
mean he thinks that they're using some

1633
01:24:42,370 --> 01:24:39,830
of these musicians they being the space

1634
01:24:44,980 --> 01:24:42,380
of people because they are able to get a

1635
01:24:50,410 --> 01:24:44,990
their message across to a more useful

1636
01:24:54,150 --> 01:24:50,420
youth youthful audience mmm-hmm well

1637
01:24:57,780 --> 01:24:54,160
that could be it may be that it's just

1638
01:25:03,640 --> 01:24:57,790
that that's the highway that's the

1639
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:03,650
interdimensional place hopping threshold

1640
01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:06,530
that happens in order to move great

1641
01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:10,330
distances you've got to move in between

1642
01:25:19,030 --> 01:25:14,570
dimensions and it's only in the left

1643
01:25:22,270 --> 01:25:19,040
hemisphere in our creativity music is

1644
01:25:24,690 --> 01:25:22,280
creativity art dance we'd find also

1645
01:25:27,610 --> 01:25:24,700
probably contact these of

1646
01:25:31,390 --> 01:25:27,620
extraterrestrials or ghosts in those

1647
01:25:35,700 --> 01:25:31,400
creative arts also because the dynamics

1648
01:25:38,950 --> 01:25:35,710
I believe to get great time and space or

1649
01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:38,960
interdimensional distances lives on

1650
01:25:46,300 --> 01:25:42,290
where that creative threshold is that

1651
01:25:49,480 --> 01:25:46,310
people with imagination right do

1652
01:25:53,230 --> 01:25:49,490
architecture do music do creative

1653
01:25:55,300 --> 01:25:53,240
graphics uh right even if it's just

1654
01:26:01,140 --> 01:25:55,310
writing poetry going not just writing

1655
01:26:05,050 --> 01:26:01,150
out it's a great thing but go to the

1656
01:26:10,410 --> 01:26:05,060
depths of creativity where the the

1657
01:26:12,910 --> 01:26:10,420
fabric the yarn is built that will allow

1658
01:26:15,850 --> 01:26:12,920
consciousness to go in or dimensional so

1659
01:26:17,830 --> 01:26:15,860
it's a maybe it's not so much on purpose

1660
01:26:20,650 --> 01:26:17,840
is that they're doing it that's what

1661
01:26:24,450 --> 01:26:20,660
they're doing to get here and anyone or

1662
01:26:28,780 --> 01:26:24,460
anything that has that light switch

1663
01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:28,790
flipped on uh can't stick out their arm

1664
01:26:33,580 --> 01:26:31,130
and grab the brass ring well well I

1665
01:26:36,130 --> 01:26:33,590
think Steve Steven Spielberg certainly

1666
01:26:40,360 --> 01:26:36,140
was one of the first kind of

1667
01:26:42,610 --> 01:26:40,370
bring that to the attention of the

1668
01:26:45,850 --> 01:26:42,620
public we all had the the Close

1669
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:45,860
Encounters theme the theme or saw the

1670
01:26:51,670 --> 01:26:48,890
other is dr. Hynek looked up at the the

1671
01:26:54,220 --> 01:26:51,680
object is it pulsated and change colors

1672
01:26:58,900 --> 01:26:54,230
and Brian got music a different musical

1673
01:27:02,590 --> 01:26:58,910
notes the moody blues song slide zone is

1674
01:27:05,020 --> 01:27:02,600
about their abduction out of the car

1675
01:27:08,170 --> 01:27:05,030
they finished a gig they were in the

1676
01:27:10,180 --> 01:27:08,180
limo they saw a bright light pulled the

1677
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:10,190
car off the side of the road got out

1678
01:27:18,460 --> 01:27:14,570
pointed at it all fell asleep all woke

1679
01:27:23,650 --> 01:27:18,470
up it dreamy-eyed in the car the driver

1680
01:27:25,620 --> 01:27:23,660
driving didn't talk and realize that two

1681
01:27:28,930 --> 01:27:25,630
and a half three hours had gone by

1682
01:27:32,950 --> 01:27:28,940
mm-hm meanwhile in another event at

1683
01:27:35,950 --> 01:27:32,960
indigo ranch recording studio uh in

1684
01:27:38,860 --> 01:27:35,960
their doing I think Mike was in there my

1685
01:27:42,430 --> 01:27:38,870
Pinder a couple other people and Ray

1686
01:27:45,220 --> 01:27:42,440
Thomas working on his personal album

1687
01:27:47,620 --> 01:27:45,230
this is approximately what it was I

1688
01:27:50,440 --> 01:27:47,630
think it was mighty oaks he was working

1689
01:27:52,450 --> 01:27:50,450
on and the window there all of a sudden

1690
01:27:56,260 --> 01:27:52,460
was these bright five bright lights like

1691
01:27:58,510 --> 01:27:56,270
fireflies coming up against a window and

1692
01:28:01,240 --> 01:27:58,520
they got brighter and brighter and then

1693
01:28:03,130 --> 01:28:01,250
they could see everybody's looking at

1694
01:28:07,420 --> 01:28:03,140
Wow look at that's lighting up the room

1695
01:28:10,420 --> 01:28:07,430
that someone was like put their hand up

1696
01:28:12,280 --> 01:28:10,430
against a glass and move out face up to

1697
01:28:17,590 --> 01:28:12,290
look in between their fingers and now

1698
01:28:25,140 --> 01:28:17,600
they could see the face too and Mike did

1699
01:28:30,430 --> 01:28:25,150
a song a 21st century traveler or

1700
01:28:33,390 --> 01:28:30,440
on his album the promise Mike did a song

1701
01:28:40,540 --> 01:28:33,400
about it but slide zone is about that

1702
01:28:45,180 --> 01:28:40,550
group out of the car abduction that

1703
01:28:50,170 --> 01:28:45,190
happened and every album has some

1704
01:28:53,650 --> 01:28:50,180
graphic a drawing phrases

1705
01:28:58,180 --> 01:28:53,660
song about it on Days of Future past on

1706
01:29:01,720 --> 01:28:58,190
the front cover is a night with white

1707
01:29:05,500 --> 01:29:01,730
armor on and a white satin shawl and out

1708
01:29:07,510 --> 01:29:05,510
at the end of his Lance is the Adamski

1709
01:29:10,240 --> 01:29:07,520
UFO Wow

1710
01:29:13,030 --> 01:29:10,250
remember that there you see the look

1711
01:29:15,430 --> 01:29:13,040
look at that again sometime and there it

1712
01:29:17,380 --> 01:29:15,440
is so and there's a lot of them that

1713
01:29:21,220 --> 01:29:17,390
have had it and then it has become also

1714
01:29:23,170 --> 01:29:21,230
a device for promotion where maybe some

1715
01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:23,180
entertainers say that it's happened just

1716
01:29:27,460 --> 01:29:25,970
because they want they want to be in on

1717
01:29:29,950 --> 01:29:27,470
it that's what they what they want to

1718
01:29:34,020 --> 01:29:29,960
make the the front cover of the the UFO

1719
01:29:38,260 --> 01:29:34,030
Tim Beckley's UFO journal yeah right I

1720
01:29:43,210 --> 01:29:38,270
think he'd be the perfect guy you and

1721
01:29:47,350 --> 01:29:43,220
Tim to publish the first the program

1722
01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:47,360
book of your annual intergalactic music

1723
01:29:55,590 --> 01:29:52,690
festival featuring current and deceased

1724
01:29:57,850 --> 01:29:55,600
entertainers performing live on stage

1725
01:29:59,710 --> 01:29:57,860
but you know we had a big tackle

1726
01:30:02,080 --> 01:29:59,720
different restrooms we had a mutual

1727
01:30:04,510 --> 01:30:02,090
friend Mike Gluckman who passed away a

1728
01:30:07,270 --> 01:30:04,520
couple years ago he wrote a book Ellie

1729
01:30:09,430 --> 01:30:07,280
and rock and he tried for a number of

1730
01:30:12,870 --> 01:30:09,440
years to get funding I mean big funding

1731
01:30:15,370 --> 01:30:12,880
so that he could have a ufo-related

1732
01:30:18,040 --> 01:30:15,380
concert at some big Speedway I think in

1733
01:30:19,930 --> 01:30:18,050
Canada or something out that but the

1734
01:30:22,720 --> 01:30:19,940
money never you know there were promises

1735
01:30:25,240 --> 01:30:22,730
made and promises not kept yeah things

1736
01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:25,250
along that it can be done I mean I'm

1737
01:30:29,290 --> 01:30:26,930
sorry it didn't work out for him but

1738
01:30:31,180 --> 01:30:29,300
there's no reason as something like that

1739
01:30:33,700 --> 01:30:31,190
can't be done just as a matter of fact

1740
01:30:35,250 --> 01:30:33,710
well is it the right the right people

1741
01:30:38,050 --> 01:30:35,260
with the right connections is a big

1742
01:30:39,670 --> 01:30:38,060
that's I thought that exists there are

1743
01:30:41,620 --> 01:30:39,680
plenty of people with plenty of money

1744
01:30:43,480 --> 01:30:41,630
and there's plenty of people that

1745
01:30:46,210 --> 01:30:43,490
technically know how to do it there just

1746
01:30:49,630 --> 01:30:46,220
has to be a poster boy and a leader and

1747
01:30:53,380 --> 01:30:49,640
that could be Tim and Tim number I you

1748
01:30:55,240 --> 01:30:53,390
know that's just what I think I got hey

1749
01:30:59,560 --> 01:30:55,250
guys real quick I just wanted to

1750
01:31:02,220 --> 01:30:59,570
acknowledge Scott from Utah he's listed

1751
01:31:04,740 --> 01:31:02,230
in and he just wanted to know if either

1752
01:31:08,010 --> 01:31:04,750
you have a comment about the recent I

1753
01:31:09,840 --> 01:31:08,020
guess move on departures at the because

1754
01:31:12,750 --> 01:31:09,850
of the Buffon conference with all the

1755
01:31:14,490 --> 01:31:12,760
secret space program and some of the

1756
01:31:16,580 --> 01:31:14,500
guests there that I guess a lot of

1757
01:31:20,510 --> 01:31:16,590
people didn't feel were you know exactly

1758
01:31:24,450 --> 01:31:20,520
legitimate well I watch part of it on

1759
01:31:27,420 --> 01:31:24,460
YouTube and I found it kind of boring

1760
01:31:29,700 --> 01:31:27,430
and to be honest with you I mean how

1761
01:31:31,590 --> 01:31:29,710
much time traveling can you do to go to

1762
01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:31,600
Mars and I mean how do you prove

1763
01:31:35,490 --> 01:31:33,850
something like that I'd uh I don't I

1764
01:31:38,700 --> 01:31:35,500
don't buy it but some people seem to

1765
01:31:41,880 --> 01:31:38,710
enjoy the more fanciful the story the

1766
01:31:44,940 --> 01:31:41,890
more some people are riveted to it I

1767
01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:44,950
kind of still go with the kind of I

1768
01:31:49,320 --> 01:31:47,530
wouldn't say nuts and bolts but you know

1769
01:31:52,590 --> 01:31:49,330
I think that there's a great paranormal

1770
01:31:54,780 --> 01:31:52,600
element to all of this with a few may be

1771
01:31:57,450 --> 01:31:54,790
physical spaceships of thrown in I mean

1772
01:31:59,370 --> 01:31:57,460
I don't rule that out there entirely a

1773
01:32:02,580 --> 01:31:59,380
UFOs were a lot of different things to a

1774
01:32:05,010 --> 01:32:02,590
lot of different people but I mean if

1775
01:32:06,960 --> 01:32:05,020
you ask my opinion and I didn't go so I

1776
01:32:09,270 --> 01:32:06,970
mean probably nobody is asking my

1777
01:32:12,170 --> 01:32:09,280
opinion I would not have devoted an

1778
01:32:14,460 --> 01:32:12,180
entire conference to to one topic I

1779
01:32:16,229 --> 01:32:14,470
don't know it just says it's not the way

1780
01:32:18,420 --> 01:32:16,239
I would do things but then you know I

1781
01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:18,430
was a different promoter and you know

1782
01:32:23,490 --> 01:32:20,890
that's you know we tried to we tried to

1783
01:32:26,280 --> 01:32:23,500
about you know we tried to balance the

1784
01:32:29,070 --> 01:32:26,290
yellow things out we would have Fred

1785
01:32:31,680 --> 01:32:29,080
Bell in one room giving his lecture

1786
01:32:36,120 --> 01:32:31,690
about the pyramids and all while we

1787
01:32:39,330 --> 01:32:36,130
would have a Jesse Marcel jr. in another

1788
01:32:43,590 --> 01:32:39,340
room and and the woman with the Crystal

1789
01:32:45,330 --> 01:32:43,600
Skull there ya go I get going at the

1790
01:32:47,160 --> 01:32:45,340
third robe you know and and and there

1791
01:32:50,700 --> 01:32:47,170
was something there was something for

1792
01:32:52,530 --> 01:32:50,710
everybody yeah and those were those were

1793
01:32:55,260 --> 01:32:52,540
wonderful days I mean I really I really

1794
01:32:57,990 --> 01:32:55,270
enjoyed doing it but it is a heck of a

1795
01:32:59,640 --> 01:32:58,000
lot of work as you can attest to it Jim

1796
01:33:01,620 --> 01:32:59,650
I mean because you were certainly

1797
01:33:05,490 --> 01:33:01,630
involved in your own programs of that

1798
01:33:07,979 --> 01:33:05,500
type and it takes a dedicated staff and

1799
01:33:09,930 --> 01:33:07,989
months and months and months of working

1800
01:33:13,890 --> 01:33:09,940
in advance a year in advance you know

1801
01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:13,900
and it takes a lot of energy and don't

1802
01:33:19,980 --> 01:33:15,850
quite have that stannum

1803
01:33:22,350 --> 01:33:19,990
that I did in years past but you know

1804
01:33:25,410 --> 01:33:22,360
who's to say you never you never can

1805
01:33:28,920 --> 01:33:25,420
tell I never say never because I could

1806
01:33:33,090 --> 01:33:28,930
change my mind tomorrow and rent out the

1807
01:33:36,330 --> 01:33:33,100
Madison Square Garden you don't know it

1808
01:33:38,610 --> 01:33:36,340
will bring all your artifacts okay hey

1809
01:33:41,130 --> 01:33:38,620
we're almost almost out of time here so

1810
01:33:43,200 --> 01:33:41,140
a gym you went to a letter audience know

1811
01:33:46,620 --> 01:33:43,210
where they can find out more about you

1812
01:33:48,090 --> 01:33:46,630
online well I work in imaging still

1813
01:33:50,460 --> 01:33:48,100
these days but it's all through

1814
01:33:53,940 --> 01:33:50,470
microscopes and it's all on contract for

1815
01:33:57,840 --> 01:33:53,950
labs so if anyone is interested in sound

1816
01:34:01,470 --> 01:33:57,850
and plants atomic biology atomic force

1817
01:34:06,180 --> 01:34:01,480
microscopes UFOs or bump in the night

1818
01:34:08,700 --> 01:34:06,190
just email me at Cox get open well you

1819
01:34:11,220 --> 01:34:08,710
have a great we do have a great outdoor

1820
01:34:14,010 --> 01:34:11,230
interview that I did with Jim in Tucson

1821
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:14,020
oh maybe six or seven years ago that you

1822
01:34:19,140 --> 01:34:16,810
can find on YouTube where we get into

1823
01:34:21,270 --> 01:34:19,150
more detail about who right at the

1824
01:34:23,190 --> 01:34:21,280
Phoenix lights and a quarter yeah pick

1825
01:34:25,470 --> 01:34:23,200
up a copy of Shirley MacLaine meets the

1826
01:34:27,990 --> 01:34:25,480
pleadians the amazing flying saucer

1827
01:34:30,240 --> 01:34:28,000
experiences celebrities rock stars and a

1828
01:34:33,060 --> 01:34:30,250
rich and famous and you got photographs

1829
01:34:35,070 --> 01:34:33,070
of Jim and Shirley MacLaine and the

1830
01:34:36,730 --> 01:34:35,080
booty blues and hundreds of other

1831
01:34:41,380 --> 01:34:36,740
encounters right on

1832
01:34:48,260 --> 01:34:44,330
you've been listening to exploring the

1833
01:34:51,470 --> 01:34:48,270
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1834
01:34:54,410 --> 01:34:51,480
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1835
01:34:56,870 --> 01:34:54,420
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1836
01:35:00,770 --> 01:34:56,880
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1837
01:35:03,250 --> 01:35:00,780
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1838
01:35:08,530 --> 01:35:03,260
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1839
01:35:11,510 --> 01:35:08,540
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1840
01:35:14,480 --> 01:35:11,520
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1841
01:35:17,120 --> 01:35:14,490
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1842
01:35:20,330 --> 01:35:17,130
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1843
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